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From the "CSSGTTT: (4) Harlem Heat vs. (5) Outsiders" thread:
I read someone's post the other week asking what the next CSS tournament would be. May i suggest one for the future?:
Greatest PPV/Wrestling Event of All Time.
I know WM XVII would be the odds-on favourite to win, but i think the Great American Bash '89, Canadian Stampede, WM XIX, and quite a few other would give it a good run. Hopefully the boss on here (Gene Mrosko, The General?) will consider it.
Cesaro must have pissed in Vince's coffee
Dude went from top tier heel with the full America get up to jobbing to Sin Cara for no reason. He's the reason that people worry about their favorite indy guys going to WWE.
I'm also already angry in anticipation for Cody and Sandow, who are loaded with talent and potential, losing to Brodus and Tensai, who are loaded with adipose and nothing else, at Wrestlemania. Angrier than I should be.
From the "El Generico's WWE name is..." thread:
and from the same thread:
Oh no! Oh no! Oh no! oh no! Ohhhh noooo!!!!
What about him?
He's right there in the background...
[The joking being Kasius Ohno was standing behind Sammy Sane]
They're so smart.
Take a popular indie guy, strip him of his gimmick and anything that makes him recognizable, completely rebuild him (likely as a character he's not exactly comfortable working as) and put everything in the hands of your exhausted writers who hate their lives and can't fill your TV time. It's no wonder the WWE roster is just brimming with stars.
Ice Dagger, Otto von Ruthless, Fang McFrost, yeah
They had a whole bunch of shitty names on a list for the guy.
If Austin kept the longer blonde hair they probably would have called him something even more ridiculous like 'Dolph Ziggler'
Is his gimmick that he acts "sane" but is insane, claiming he sees a masked luchador following him around all the time which leads to him finding a mask and becoming El Generico once more?
Feels like he has the charisma/in-ring ability to get over...no matter his gimmick, I will be rooting for him . Its a shame if they truly drop El Generico completely, especially with the fact that the E wants to push the PG so much and he'd fit in along with that. Kids would love him, plus he has the support of the IWC, and he can win over any others with his charisma and in-ring ability.
Upon further reflection, we should have seen this coming, really
Do you really think a bunch of Mexican orphans are going to be great at coming up with ring names? Sweet of him to let them pick, though.
From the "Paul Bearer's cause of death revealed: Heart attack" thread:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
Losing Paul Bearer feels like losing a supernatural being, like if news outlets told you that Santa Claus was real, and died of a heart problem.
I'm sure Brutus Beefcake will be utterly devastated when he hears about this revelation
and from the same thread:
Saw the headline and this is fitting...
Next time on "Hogan Knows Nothing"
"I wanted to drop to the I-C level after WrestleMania IV. Vince begged me to tag with Macho Man. i wanted to drop the I-C title to Rick Rude at Mania V, but Vince and his crazy ideas..."
"Bischoff kept saying to me, the nWo needs to be purple and green. I kept saying, dude, black and white is the way to go. Fortunately cooler heads prevailed and we took off brother."
"I remember when I faced King Kong Bundy at WrestleMania 2. We literally did that main event in three different cities. I beat him in New York, then we drove to Chicago for that show (time change saved us brother) and then we took a private jet to LA for the third go-round. He died like a week later and his last words were ‘Hogan man, you saved my career and my soul.'"
And right after that, Hogan invented the Internet.
He connected 10,000 tubes together in front of 100,000 Hulkamaniacs, brother. Why does Al Gore get all the credit?, brother? Who did he ever beat, brother?
From the "WWE releases referee Jack Doan" thread:
"What's referee Jack Doan doing in the Impact Zone?"
Watch your back Hebner!
and from the same thread:
Surely "Jack Doan" is his real name.
Tell me the refs don't have stage names too.
I don't want to live in a world where someone just randomly thought up the name "Chioda"
I hope it was an amicable split
That would be terrible to lose your job out of the blue after 20 years of service.
Now that I think about it, who were the referees that trashed Brad Maddox after he went rogue? All of them may be on the hit list in the Brickie era.
From what I can tell this guy was horrible at his job
-easily distracted -can't count past 10 -has a habit of being knocked unconscious while on the job
From the "Trish Stratus wants Lita to induct her into WWE Hall of Fame" thread:
women, tag teams and cruiserweights
ain't nobody got time for that
From the "CSSGTTT: (3) Brainbusters vs. (6) APA" thread:
Vote - Brainbusters
Don't recall APA being anything but a lower-mid card comedy act, although my memory could be off. They had their moments, but their run has largely been romanticized since both still appear on television semi-regularly. In reality, they were a thrown together tag-team used primarily as mid-card enhancement talent or office enforcers. By all accounts, they were overly stiff and Bradshaw especially, was a known asshole and bully in the back. They are barely a footnote in WWE tag team history, and in my opinion, are outrageously overrated. Although, I'd love to hear evidence to the contrary.
From the "WrestleMania 29 match card and rumors for April 7 in New Jersey" thread:
I know of some that have wrestled while on "snow' if that's what you mean...
From the "Mark Henry reportedly suffers injury at WWE house show in Norfolk" thread:
Are you fucking kidding me?
Mark Henry gets built up again only to be injured before a payoff yet again?
I know I'm in the minority when I say I don't like Henry and that his push was a bad idea, but this is the chief reason why. He hasn't even been back two months and he's already possibly injured injured.
and from the same thread:
Mark Henry is so good at hurting people that he went ahead and hurt himself.
Replace the right leg of Khali with Curt Hawkins and the left with Zack Ryder and boom, a fill-in for Big Show!
Zack and Curt get some WrestleMania time and Khali gets some mobility, right?
From the "Has The Rock been unfairly criticised for failing to plug WWE on Jay Leno?" thread:
You're saying this as a complete outsider
You have nothing to lose and have no investment whatsoever, but the Rock has a lot to lose and is trying to navigate waters even more politically charged than the wrestling world. He needs to do whats best for himself and his family. To be even more frank if he did just throw something at the very end of the interview people would be murdering him for only giving one sentence to the biggest PPV in the entire industry. Should the Rock be there more? Yes, but everyone involved including the fans knew going in he was only going to be a part timer so how is any of this really coming off as a surprise?
and from the same thread:
there's a lot of animosity towards the rock
that should honestly be leveled at vince and wwe in general.
The whole reason the belt is on rocky is because vkm wants it on the biggest star possible on biggest card of the year. To make as much bloody money as can be made off a pro wrestling event. This whole thing is beyond silly, Vince chased the rock, Vince knew the limited dates that the rock could work and he still pulled the trigger on bringing him back and then 2 years later putting the strap on him. So how any of that is on the rock is beyond me. At most you can blame rock for not saying no to it all, but that's not really realistic
Shouldn't treat Urn Anderson so carelessly, his neck isn't in great shape.
and from the same thread:
[On Kaitlyn spearing the barricade]
I really hope she didn't tear her asshole
Bret: "So John and Dwayne, I want to hear from each of you about just how much you think HHH is the shittiest wrestler ever. Seriously, fuck that guy, right?"
If Cena said "Cause I'm booked to go over" I'd love him
Cena beat himself. Ahem
NFL: Jets & Cowboys / NBA: Bulls & Clippers / MLB: Mets / NHL: Islanders
His own stupid move that you plagiarized you cheap hack!
From the "Rumor Roundup for Monday, March 25" thread:
Here's an interesting idea:
Punk goes to Wrestlemania and does break the streak. The night after on Raw, he announces something to the effect of the following:
"I am the true WWE Champion, for [insert however many days here]. I am the Best in the World, and I proved it last night when I did something no one else could do. I beat the Undertaker at Wrestlemania. His streak is dead, and he is gone for good. i've accomplished everything I've set my mind to. And now, I'm going to retire from wrestling while I'm still on top."
He can stick around on commentary again as a "retired wrestler" while he heals up, and he can retain his heel heat both with this last "pipe bomb" and with his commentary. Then, when he's fully healed, he comes back when it's most opportune for him and jumps right back into the thick of the hunt.
It's hard to build to your top three matches when...
1. only two of the six men involved are there every week 2. only one of the six men is either willing to or physically able to wrestle on TV leading up to the show. 3. only one of the six men are actually great on the mic. The others are either average (HHH) really bad (Lesnar), really corny (Cena), really tired (Rock), or really stilted (Taker).
From the "CM Punk presents: Urn Anderson" thread:
On the RAW right before Wrestlemania
CM Punk should piss into the urn. Serious suggestion.
and from the same thread:
No. Just, no.
If Punk did that, he'd be so far over the line that the line would be a dot to him. Something like the picture above - funny and creative. What you suggest - disgusting and disrespectful.
From the "TNA news and spoilers from their last taped pay-per-views in the Impact Zone" thread:
So the "Heavyweight Title Tournament"
Was just to find out who was the best of them all? And not like, FOR the heavyweight title? What a terrible premise for a tournament.
Maybe I am old fashioned
But this seems...dumb. As a fan, this turns me off.
From the "X-Pac injury may be the worst thing ever: A torn cornhole" thread:
I guess Billy Gunn needs to lend someone his gimmick.
and from the same thread:
Dude voluntarily made a porno with Chyna...
...this is AT BEST the second most embarrassing thing he's ever done.
DX wants your ass to call somebody, before it's too late.
"One Night In X-Pac"
this gives new meaning
to the term "X-Pac heat"
And he finished the match? Pro-Fucking-Fessional
Michael Cole knows...
in serious Cole voice
that with all due respect...ANAL BLEEDING.
What the hale?!?
From the "WWE Raw results and reactions from last night (March 25): SAY MY NAME" thread:
Maybe he'll put you over
like Hogan would have put over Sting in 91
and from the same thread:
So basically if it doesn't meet these unwritten and very specific stipulations
it isn't heat?
well...look at [Cena's] target audience.
My son is in kindergarten. He's a great reader but struggles sometimes. If he can't get a word, he's prone to throw his hands up and say he's "can't do it!"
John Cena is a kindergartener.
and...bring in Lance Storm, put it in a pot, add a potato, brother you got a stew going
I have a "Baby you got a stew goin" Tshirt
and nobody gets it at all, which makes it twice as funny.
Feed me more...
nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medications, such as 3rd or 4th generation fluoroquinolones, sodium sulfacetamide, or trimethoprim/polymyxin!
From the "Daily Open Thread for Tuesday, March 26" thread:
The Hero shall be
THE DAZZLER! :)
and from the same thread:
Has it really been but an hour since we last shared our hopes and desires by the warm glow of the monitor? Already I find myself starting at the smallest whisper of wind against the door, hoping for your return. In my desperation I have created a crude facsimile of your person, from a broom, curtains and twine, that I hold against my breast in this darkest hour. It is no substitute, surely, but it provides some small measure of comfort as a single tear rolls down my cheek. How I long for the days when I confessed my culinary barbarism, and you, with your gentle words tried to convince me that onions could be anything but anathema, abomination! Oh, hurry back, for I fear my time is not long without you.
Aching with despair, Kain
PS- If you're not back soon I may do things that the broom will regret.
Here are some real name tags I have worn at various jobs.
Ben Dover (Thank you Simpsons!) Richard Cranium (Think about it) Yuck Fou (One person actually said "You don't look Asian.") Very few people ever noticed and the ones that did laughed.
Okay, this is goddamn adorable
Mick Foley confirmed today that Terry Funk will be inducting him into the Hall of Fame. Where did he do this? On Twitter, perhaps? Nope. He did it on his son Mickey's YouTube channel, here. Interesting, says I, what sort of videos might the 12-year-old son of a legend be making that he has 56 of them?
The answer, friends, is trampoline wrestling. Complete with a "spear" through a "table" made of mattresses and cardboard. A-goddamn-dorable.
I bet Scott Steiner has a good explanation for that
When Dolph finally opens up his briefcase there will be a letter inside
"Thank you Dolph, but your contract is in another castle."
Or a coupon for 20% off and free shipping on any replica belt at shop.wwe.com
WWE's video production team is the real "The Best in the World"
From the "Randy Orton really misses being a heel" thread:
He's already a heel.
He mixed up "your" and "you're". INSTANT HEAT
From the "WWE's Stephanie McMahon tweets in support of gay marriage" thread:
At this point, Steph McMahon-Levesque is no longer a princess.
With Shane doing his own thing, Linda out of the wrestling business, and Vince barreling toward his own retirement, let's call her the Queen of Queens (to supplement her husband's more recent nickname).
And fuck the negative connotations usually given to queens in entertainment media. Despite my on-again, off-again hate boner for WWE Creative, I still have more faith in the era to come than I do now with Vince still sticking his fingers in the pie.
Steph wants to prove she has more balls than shane?
So, when will we see her jump off a fucking titantron?
From the "SmackDown spoilers: WWE claims Mark Henry breaks record in bench press" thread:
I was in attendance, and after the showdown Dolph Ziggler's music hit so the crew scrambled to clean up the weight lifting aftermath. A regular sized joe came up and carried off the weights in one hand-quite briskly I might add. My dad turned to me and said, "Son, I'm starting to think wrestling might be fake".
From the "So about this Ring of Honor poster..." thread:
I hear you can only get the shirt Matt Hardy's wearing by having it shot at you from a flexible tube
Kevin Steen? Boring. ACH? Yawn. Rhyno? Nah. Todd Sinclair?
GET ME A FUCKING TICKET!
This is probably why Matt Hardy shouldn't have gotten Sin Cara's old T-Shirt design guy to make him a t-shirt
From the "Rumor Roundup for Wednesday, March 26" thread:
Cena vs A-Ry in the summer of 2020
is going to be gangbusters.
From the "WWE SmackDown Spoilers for March 29: World's strongest men break NFL record" thread:
I'm an asshole who still thinks there's value to be had with the IC title.
From the "Daily Open Thread for Wednesday, March 27" thread:
[The winning caption to this photo]
DEVOOOOOON! GET THE TESTES!
A good teste in the mouth is worth two in the sack.
Wait a dadgum minute...
So, at this point can we please pretend Rhodes Scholar's break up never happened?
For one, Punk isn't over to the level HBK and Triple H were.
Punk's a star, but HBK, Triple H, and Taker are legends. It's not that Punk won't be a legend one day, he will be, but Taker's last two opponents were legends while facing Taker.
For another, Punk has to wrestle this match in the shadow of six previous streak matches which were the best things on each show they were on. That's a hell of a lot of pressure for any man, including a star.
Most importantly, Punk really doesn't seem happy with the build, and given that it's based on a legit death, why would he be?
"Most importantly, Punk really doesn't seem happy with the build, and given that it's based on a legit death, why would he be?"
I think people are projecting their on feelings onto Punk with this one. I for one have actually enjoyed the Undertaker-Punk build, so to see people constantly say how everyone hates it gets on my nerves. Beyond that Punk has been doing his typical great work, carrying most of the weight, par for the course of late. I don't see anything that would make me think he's uncomfortable or hates the angle at all. In fact these feelings only seem to come from people with a very public view of disliking or being uncomfortable with the angle themselves, which makes me feel a good deal of projecting is going on.
the hhh taker match last year with michaels as ref
Had years of build leading up to it. You cant match that kind of fan investment in just a few weeks no matter how good you are and punk knows that. But that wont stop him from trying. Hes just bein realistic.
I'm hoping The Shield comes out and triple powerbombs Taker.
They haven't helped Punk in a long time; it would be a dramatic surprise.
I think this is the ideal scenario for me.
That way The Streak ends and they solve the problem of who to give it to as four men get the honour. It would really bode well going forward, tons of options.
So The Chicago Bulls ended the Miami Heat's streak.
CM Punk hails from Chicago.
The Undertaker's streak was rescued this time last year in Miami.
The Undertaker's brother is from Hell where the HEAT is a bit like Miami in July.
You see where I'm going with this?
I can imagine this as one of Shaemus' long rambling promos that forgets what the question was and just goes on and on
HBK v Taker are classics.
Punk is a cocky fuck, but he's smart enough to know not to say he will put on a better match. He maybe able to, but it's better to be humble here.
Someone has to be trollin' to say the Bella's are anywhere near fat...
From the "Rumor Roundup for Thursday, March 28" thread:
Not a bad idea to back and forth between two and three hours depending on time of year.
Gives them time to genuinely fill 3 hours and also make the "road to wrestlemania" feel different and special from the rest of the years 2 hour format.
HHH/Taker retirement matches?
So it would be like the end of an era?
Just wait until
Eric Bischoff is revealed as the "Higher Power" of Aces and 8's, leading to tension between him and Bully. Bully then decides to break off to form his own faction, the "Original 8's", sporting the classic black and white colors. Eric, meanwhile, hands over the reigns to the group now known as the "Ace of Diamonds" (also known as AoD - now bearing their new red colors) to new leaders Garrett Bischoff and Wes Brisco. The feud culminates at Bound For Glory when Garrett defeats Bully for the TNA World Title.
From the "Daily Open Thread for Thursday, March 28" thread:
I never enjoyed his X-Pac gimmick
but I guess at the very least I have to admit that the guy busted his ass for the business.
whenever A guy in WWE gets AJ he goes down
Bryan lost his title and Dolph is in midcard wonderland......she's career poison dammit!!!!
How is it that Big Show is playing basketball in the 1940s?
And so The Big Show finds himself leaping from life to life, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap... will be the leap home.
From the "WWE NXT results and reactions from March 27: Super Event Slam-a-Mania" thread:
To be fair,
I probably couldn't last seven minutes with Kaitlyn.
From the "WrestleMania 29: P. Diddy set to perform live on April 7 in New Jersey" thread:
Now I'm buying the PPV for sure
P. Diddy wasn't going to do it...
Until Vince fetched the finest Cambodian breast milk for him.
Is that what's hot on the streets, IRS?
Doing ya taxes?!
From the "This WrestleMania 29 cake is awesome" thread:
Don't let The Ryback near that thing haha lol am I right?!?
In a tribute to Roddy Piper this cake is half chocolate, half vanilla.
In a tribute to the Intercontinental Title, this cake will never appear at WrestleMania but will be seen in the preshow.
In a tribute to WrestleMania, this cake will be surrounded by 11 smaller cakes that will cost less and taste better
In a tribute to 2012, Daniel Bryan will have the first bite, CM Punk the middle, and John Cena will eat last.
Also all of the corner pieces (with the most frosting) will be set aside specially for Brock, Rock, Triple H, and Undertaker.
From the "Video: X-Pac tears his butthole, details his injury on Twitter" thread:
"My concern was Jerry getting the proper send off, Not my butthole"
Greatest pro-wrestling related quote ever. These are the words I'll remember X-Pac by when he decides to finally hang 'em up for good.
From the "WrestleMania 29 video promo fails to mention Undertaker vs. CM Punk" thread:
I mean you basically have three eras
Undertaker the undercard/midcard Mania 7 he beat a legend giving him the rub right after his debut. There was no doubt in the meetings who would win it. Between Manias 8 and 9 he didn't just not lose at Mania, he pretty much didn't lose at all. He was undefeated for 2 solid years between 92 and 93. So again, on that streak, no reason to lose at Mania.
Undertaker the uppercarder Mania 11 he faced a past his prime King Kong Bundy in a match set up solely to get him over and keep him strong. Losing was never an option.
He probably could have lost to Diesel at Mania 12 if it wasn't known that Nash was leaving when his contract was up. In light of that, there ‘s no doubt who's winning.
Mania 13 was in the middle of the disaster/fiasco of the main event scene. Taker was given the strap both to transition it to Hart and because no one else was available. Sid had the title but he wasn't going to walk out with it. no chance of losing.
Mania 14 he probably could have lost to the fresh-faced (metaphorically speaking) Kane, but two things would have come up in the booking. One is the obvious SummerSlam main event between Austin and Undertaker and two is the fact that he was now 6-0, and even though that was only barely acknowledged on camera, it probably had now become well known to Vince. That tipped the scales in Takers favor.
Mania 15 was all about payback to the Corporation. No chance of losing.
Mania 17 is another year where he COULD have lost, but by this point the streak was definitely a thing backstage. It wasn't the driving force behind his Mania feuds that it would be, but certainly it was on Vince's mind when it came time to book the show. In fact, considering that Triple H was coming off a great year as one of the best heels in history, the fact that he didn't win tells me that this was the year when "the streak" overrided booking. Because if its any other person, Triple H is winning that match. Not because "it's Triple H" but because its a wrestler who had a year that certainly deserved the main event at Mania and missed it only because there was too much money to be made on the 1-on-1 main event. Typically...I would even say 99/100 a wrestler who had Triple H's kind of year wins a big #2 match on the card as compensation. That he didn't tells me, looking at his matches from a historical perspective: this is when the streak becomes a thing. So from here till retirement there really was never a question in Vince's mind who would win at Mania. As long as Taker was wrestling, he would win.
Mania 18 and 19 again there's no doubt. Flair wasn't going to do it, neither was Big Show and A-Train.
Undertaker the featured attraction Mania 20 was about reintroducing the dead man. No half-seconds thought to him losing.
Mania 21 and 22 are interesting. It's well known Taker offered the streak as a way to get Orton and then Henry over. It was Vince who turned it down. Again, as long as Taker is going to be at Mania after Mania after Mania, he will get win after win after win.
2007 was going to be the year for him to get a long title reign (which he never really had) and solidify himself as the face (along with Batista) of Smackdown. It didn't happen because he got injured in May, but there was no doubt (though they did good on camera making doubt) Taker was winning.
Mania 24 was about getting revenge on Edge. No doubt who was winning.
25 I think was a match that had a lot of elements. You had this dream match quality to it, even though these guys had fought a lot in the old days, they hadn't (except in a Rumble or two) since HBK returned and the DeadMan rose again. Also, with this being the "25 Anniversary" of WrestleMania I think this match was about putting the streak on the spotlight. With Taker getting a match with Mr WrestleMania himself, getting everything Michaels had and still winning. I dont think there was ever a whisper in the planning that Michaels would win.
Mania 26 is obvious. That was HBKs swan song. And HBK is old school. You retire with a loss. No chance Taker loses.
Mania 27 is funny because some of us talked ourselves into the possibility that Triple H would book himself to end it. That's exactly what he wanted. Its the same thing he did in the run up to his Cena match at 22. The marks will think "Triple H is tough enough to do it!" and the smarks will think "Triple H is egotistical enough to do it!" In the end there was never a doubt who would win. Triple H was just trolling us all.
Mania 28 being "the end of an era" might look like empty bluster now, but wait 10 days. IF Taker loses, then there will be a lot more significance to those words.
So here we are at Mania 29. There's one thing working in Punk's favor, one thing working against him, and one wildcard that makes it impossible to call.
Working against Punk is simply The Streak. Taker has twenty years of headwind and momentum working in his favor here. If he doesnt want it to end, it's not going to end. If he wants it to end and Vince doesn't, it's not going to end. Everything has to line up.
Working for Punk is the fact that he's playing the Triple H role, circa WrestleMania 17. He's had a tremendous year (not what Triple H had in 2000, but few ever will) and was left out of the main event, despite being more than deserving (three years in a row according to him), because there's simply too much money in a 1-on-1 match. Undertaker is-like in 2001-the consolation prize. All the factors that SHOULD have added up to a Triple H win in 2001, are present here as well. Punk SHOULD win the big number 2 match, to keep him strong as he heads into another year in the mainevent. SHOULD is the key word, because he's not just taking on any consolation prize. He's taking on the streak.
Thus the wildcard, which wasn't present in 2001. Undertaker is NEAR retirement. is he ready to retire? We don't know. He does. Vince does. But we dont. In 2001 he wasn't about to retire, so there was no reason to end the streak. That was too bad for Triple H, but the streak is bigger than the top heel staying strong. Fast forward over a decade later, and Taker might be ready to hang it up. If he is, then the reason to keep the streak going loses a lot of weight. In fact, it opens up booking scenarios for Undertaker that involve his losing. There's scenarios that involve winning of course, but for the first time...ever...they can bat around ideas for him in the event of loss.
So I cant predict an Undertaker loss, but for the first time, I can realistically imagine one.
This is 100% why the much bemoaned "IWC" loves Chris Jericho
and doesn't give him shit for being a part timer like Rock, Brock or Trips. Let's call a spade a spade, Jericho probably hated the idea of working with Fandango at WM. The idea of working a program with a debuting wrestler who could potentially have a heat killing gimmick couldn't have been why he wanted to come back. But he sacked up (or looked at his paycheck) and said "To hell with it, let's get this guy over and steal the show".
When it looked like it would be Jericho/Fandango I was thinking that Y2J was getting overlooked
Now that I see Fandango is Vince's current pet project, it confirms that they haven't forgotten what is so special about Jericho and how valuable he can be.
I appreciate Jericho being a good sport but I still say Fandango ends up being relegated to Superstars by Summerslam
This match is my pick to steal the show at 'Mania.
From the "Kevin Nash: I wouldn't ever have Undertaker's WrestleMania streak end" thread:
I'm a CM Punk mark...
...so naturally I'm all for the streak to end this year. However, fanboy posturing aside, the article above touches on a very valid point; Whenever The Rock and The Undertaker, and to a lesser extent, HHH and Lesnar going back into hibernation, what are we left with? If they want to create legends of the future, they need to do something fresh and monumental with Punk, to help take the pressure of Cena to sell PPVs and boost tv ratings. Breaking the streak could go some way to helping with that and cementing Punk as a marquee level talent that would help to attract the casual fan, and put Punk in a position to give young guys the rub and make new stars in the process.
fucking nash talking sense
Go figure. Fuck punk, can't wait for taker to tombstone his ass
Nash, having watched a few of his shoot interviews, really does seem to have a head for the business
At least nowadays, anyway
CM Punk by cattle prod.
But of course if he was booking Undertaker would beat Punk by Finger Poke of Doom and afterwards they'd hug and spraypaint nWo on the urn.
More money to be made with Streak intact
Punk makes no more money by breaking the streak.
Disagree with me all you want, it will simply be true. A guy gets trashed by The Rock in two straight PPVs, and then would go out and beat The Undertaker and end the greatest non-Championship title in all of sports entertainment?
That happening would simply bury anyone who ever cared about the streak, bury everyone who actually lost during the streak, and make the entire thing pointless. Punk ending a streak after getting jobbed out twice would be the worst business/money decision ever made by the WWE.
5 years from now, a DVD compilation that contained every match in The Streak would sell more and make more money for the WWE, than any biopic on CM Punk they will ever make because The Undertaker is a bigger star than CM Punk ever will be. Punk just doesn't appeal to the masses like Taker or Cena do. He just doesn't. He's a hell of a talent, but 20 years from now, he will be just a B-level note in the "John Cena Era" of WWE.
No win no matter how big at this point is going to change that. Giving anyone this win would quite literally be killing the Golden Goose to cut it open and get the egg. It might give someone a heat boost right now, but it wouldn't be sustained, and would kill all future revenue The Streak would generate.
Let's look at it this way:
An intact Streak in retirement would sell DVDs, yes, but really only two: "Wrestlemania 29" and "21-0: the Immortal Streak".
CM Punk breaking the Streak would sell the following DVDs: "Wrestlemania 29" Whatever they call "CM Punk: Vol 2" "Greatest Moments in WWE History" "Greatest Matches in WWE History" "Greatest Moments in Wrestlemania History" etc...
Plus, it follows Punk around for the rest of his career. Whenever the announcers talk about him against big, foreboding foes, they'll bring up the time he broke the Undertaker's Streak as a reason why you should never count him out. They'll use it to sell every feud he's in until they day he retires. And then even after Punk's retirement, it will be one of many things that will cement his entry into the WWE Hall of Fame, a part of his legacy that no one can imitate or duplicate.
So basically, breaking the Streak not only has more monetary value over time, it also has an intangible value for both Punk and the WWE, and intangibles help sell shows.
[On Bob Backlund relationship to Maria Menounos]
Bob once gave her a chicken wing.
I'd like to induct Maria into my hall of disappointment.
Some of the perks:
- Dinner at a chain restaurant of her choosing.
- Watered down martinis.
- Thousands of apologies and "this has never happened to me before"s.
I'd like to induct myself into Maria
From the "Bruno Sammartino still banging on about WWE's Talent Wellness Program" thread:
Of course he's a hypocrite but can you blame him?
What has he got out of his stance? He's a man who, in old age and without this Hall Of Fame induction, could drift into obscurity and irrelevance. I wonder how much money he's lost out on over the years by refusing the overtures of the WWE.
It's too easy to condemn the man for moving on his principles when we're not in his shoes. Yes, he is either laughably naive or dishonest but we can't ignore the fact that WWE have made enormous progress in this field - although it is far from enough. It is a fact that they have improved in the areas that Bruno was so vocal about.
I also think we should steer clear of labeling people steroid users. I had a conversation with a couple of people the other day who are each more than qualified to comment on the issue with some authority and whilst I insisted that The Rock "had to be" using steroids they were each quite steadfast in the assertion that it's more than conceivable he achieved his current condition naturally.
The key statement is that Bruno joined WWE because he felt they are going in the right direction as far as taking care of their performers and the wellness policy. I'm not sure he's wrong about that when you pick out Rock and HHH as the possible steriod bodies but they aren't regular performers anymore. Also lets be careful about labeling someone a steroid abuser just on size alone. Anyone can drink protein shakes, eat tons of protein in 8 meals a day, drink tons of water and expand the look of their muscles. Its not hard to do and not hard to correct.
I think Bruno, like any big wrestling star, likes to talk and all that is just him sounding good to himself. I think and believe that Bruno just needed to see WWE doing something positive because he wanted to get back into wrestling. There is no doubt, forced or bot forced, WWE today is far far far from WWE 2002-07.
From the "Pic: WrestleMania 29 set being erected at MetLife Stadium in New Jersey" thread:
I wonder if the Undertaker has started walking to the ring yet.
From the "Rumor Roundup for Friday, March 29" thread:
Always liked Double J
Like Shane Douglas, I never saw him as great as he saw himself. He was a fantastic heel that earned some of his ‘on the top' runs but in the end, he is a major reason why TNA went down the hill. The huge feud with Raven that culminated with Raven losing was not needed, taking the strap off Raven in Ontario was not needed, screwing Hardy with Nash/Hall not needed and honestly, he was shoved down the throats. I liken his run on top for the vast majority of his TNA tenure to when Triple H first got the world heavyweight strap and beat RVD and Kane in scenarios where the good guy should have over come the evil.
That's what is lacking with wrestling fans I see these days. The WWF/WCW wars and attitude era made the bad guys way too strong and popular. Nobody believed that WCW and Goldberg could overcome the nWo nor were was the face WCW put in positions to one up the bad guys. The good guys that reached above shortly were revealing their anti-climatic heel turn by dawning the magnitude of colors of bad.
The WWE has solid faces in John Cena, Alberto Del Rio and Ryback. Going into WM29 we have the inevitable turning of Sheamus, Randy Orton and or Big Show. I am just reminded that yes, in real life there is ‘grey' and nothing is all black and white but in wrestling, the face is booked to overcome in the end.
The amount of TV they need to fill now is ridiculous, they should just air ‘never-before-seen' dark matches/house show matches to help fill the void. I turn on Raw/Smackdown and all I see are the exact same matches I've seen two-four weeks earlier. Why buy the pay per views anymore? why invest into a huge match when the rematch is the next night?. I guess my wrestling is different than the one offered these days but the same principle would work.
Also, I always liked using past stars to get new stars over even more, why waste talent on talent every week? why not have Ziggler/Fandango etc etc over local talent/NXT stars instead of making them the CM Punk/Cena/Ryback corn feed?. I'd love to have Jarrett come out and get buried by Ziggler or Rio. Bring back 'World's Greatest Tag Team' and have them face ‘Team Hell No', have Shamrock take on Brian Danielson. It also tells you about the longevity and real stars when you have to reach almost ten years to find someone the fans of today acre about.
Yes, rant over.
Del Rio will have to run over Santa, the Easter Bunny and two members of the Justice League to get back to pre-Swagger levels with the fans.
But didn't Double J help create TNA?
That sucks, getting the Steve Jobs treatment.
Broke a million guitars, never drew a dime
not that I give a shit how much money someone draws, but that's the greatest quote related to that asshat.
"The only thing Fitch was ever guilty of was winning." - pud333
too much talent for the time slot
Why not go full bore on the mixed tag teams to get more of the talent on Impact. We already have ODB and Eric Young holding the Knockout Tag Team title. Tara & Jesse are established. Aries & Roode have already stated they will hold all the titles so it would be good to have someone like Mickie James go heel and team up with one or both. Hernandez has been on a serious roll lately. He flies around like a luchador with the big man skill set to go with it. All he needs is a decent mouthpiece since he cant cut a promo to save his life. Chavo wasn't horrible and Bad Influence was money, as always. Hogan telling Sting to get out of my ring brother was priceless. One could only hope that Sting does his usual disappearing act (forever?). Although Jeff Hardy looks like someone too old to be dressing up for a anime convention he is winning me over with his in-ring ability. The man can sell and his taking the hammer and going bat shit with it was impressive. Taryn Terrell's in ring attire.........very nice. Good show
Not all matches are about workrate
This one was about story and about the moment. It was epic because of all that had come before.
From the "Daily Open Thread for Friday, March 29" thread:
anyone know where i can find a wrestlemania party in portland?
Nah, just somewhere to touch dicks.
Right or wrong, good or bad CM Punk keeps me watching.
I wrote a letter to HHH saying the angle broke my heart. I was unable to read the reply it was covered in tears, the only word I could read was ‘Nash'
[In response to "This is like golfers saying Tiger Woods gets too much attention]
Tiger Woods doesn't moonlight as a golfer.
I'd be happier if two of WM's main events this year weren't rematches of other main events from the past year.
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