The Miz has backstage heat for failing to protect R-Truth on WWE Raw
by Keith Harris on Feb 7, 2012 7:52 PM EST
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In an update to Geno Mrosko's post about R-Truth being lucky to avoid a serious injury like a concussion after The Miz was out of position to catch him on a somersault plancha in the Six Pack Challenge Raw main event, Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez of f4wonline.com have confirmed that Miz has tremendous heat backstage for his serious lapse of judgement:
-- As noted on Observer Radio last night, tons of heat on Miz for not catching Truth during his dive spot in the six-man last night. Truth was legitimately helped out as they feared he had a serious injury. Although he smashed the back of his head on the mats, he ended up being OK and will continue onto the International tour.
Not only did Miz's mistake cause Truth harm, but it also took the shine off the rest of the match, as plans had to be changed on the fly and naturally everyone would be concerned for Truth's wellbeing, so Miz would be blamed for that too.
This is serious bad news for Miz, as having the rep that you're a dangerous, careless worker is a very difficult one to shake off and has spelled doom for many past WWE performers like Nelson "King Mabel" Frazier, Ahmed Johnson, Vader and most recently Mr. Kennedy, now working for TNA as Mr. Anderson. In most of these cases, there was some truth to that perception, but also locker room politicians capitalised on these concerns to ensure that people they didn't like working with got buried and even fired, despite still having name value at the very least. I wouldn't say that Miz is close to being released, but he's going to have to be very contrite about the incident, work hard to change the idea that he's more concerned with protecting himself than protecting his opponent, and almost inevitably spend some time being downplayed on WWE television. One things for sure, he can't afford any other major screw ups like this anytime soon.
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365 days ago, the Miz was projected to face John Cena at Wrestlemania to defend the world title at Atlanta. Now? It’s a totally different picture. Not good. Also, since I wasn’t here that far back, I want to ask: was everyone here and in the IWC behind him as well? Or was he always not a favorite?
He was actually an Internet (I refuse to say IWC, it makes me sick) darling for a while.
That changed in a hurry.
What Keith didn’t even mention (because he didn’t really have to) is this comes on the heels of Miz getting beaten every week on TV because he’s the fall guy for the poor Survivor Series buyrate.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Can Miz overcome
this? We’ll find out whether Miz has the resolve that he says he does in the next few months, I bet he gets relegated to working Superstars.
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by Matt Champion on Feb 7, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
The guy gets Maryse in bed
I think he’ll be able to tough it out for the time being.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2012 11:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Awesome Truth were really great around the time when the strike/walk out happened while HHH was COO. And then they just turned into a couple of chumps real quick. Of course, Survivor Series performed only slightly better than last year’s (or technically two years ago).
by Sir Ingenious on Feb 7, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
i actually liked the awesome truth but wellness policy is a bitch of a thing
I'm still waiting for my CM Punk WWE Ice Cream Bar.
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by Luke Thomas on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
by dandeman on Feb 7, 2012 8:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Spyware site and the Observer both reported as much.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
All over the Observer.
Though judging by your post record, you’re probably one of those guys who thinks Meltzer and Alvarez are just a bunch of marks pulling NEWZ out of their asses.
You love making yourself look like an idiot don't you
as evidenced by your inability to read the post directly above yours where I said that I can see that being the case. I was just wondering where the news came from, not doubting that he was getting the blame for the buyrates.
by hfl2013 on Feb 8, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Put a fucking sock in it, already.
Fuck.
You’re like the turd in the punchbowl of CSS.
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by TheAngryApe on Feb 8, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Some performers are perfect for the chase, but once they win the title something is missing. I’d put Miz in that category.
I'm starting to think Punk is in that category. /heresy
What is he so angry about these days?
He seems to have completely forgotten about stopping the conspiracy that was screwing him
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 8, 2012 1:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
he must destroyed the conspiracy and let it rematerialize on the Miz
Perhaps cena was right the conspiracy only wanted Punk to prove he had a pair
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by Luke Thomas on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
by dandeman on Feb 8, 2012 9:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I liked him for awhile
I really think WWE missed the boat with not trying to turn him face around MITB. His video package before Wrestlemania was great and his booking made it seem like a face turn was going to happen.
by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 7, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
He's a natural heel
Not in the sense that he’s naturally perfect at it, but that people naturally hate him. He’s a former reality star who people hated who is now wrestling. No reason to fight against that by trying to make him be a face all of a sudden.
But nobody wants to see Miz in a match against anybody.
Which is the most important distinction between actual heat and Michael Cole heat.
I liked him when he was a general midcard guy, and for a little while after he won the WWE Championship
His character got real stale since. He seemed to be “at his best”, in terms of promo work, when people were basically shitting on him. When he was talking about how no one believed in him, and yet he was about to wrestle for the US Championship, how he overcame all kind of hurdles and won the WWE Championship, that kind of stuff. Given that he achieved it all, he kind of got stale. The booking didn’t help him at all, either.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
This is a problem with a lot of WWE's roster today
They seem to thrive as a mid-carder where they aren’t being asked to carry the show; or even simply step up to battle in the main event spotlight. Is this because we put too much pressure on our “darlings” once they reach main event status or do they geniunely just flounder when given the opportunity?
I’m looking at you: Miz, Jack Swagger, Dolph Ziggler, Alberto Del Rio, Wade Barrett, Christian sorta, and even CM Punk in some ways
I think it is very unfair to say that many of these guys have dropped the ball when given a chance. Miz is the one guy who I wouldn’t mind saying that about given the terrible match he had with Cena at Mania. But other than him, just about every guy on this list has been hugely undermined by creative, especially Del Rio, Barrett, and Punk.
Miz got his concussion at the very end of the Wrestlemania match's action.
Miz took one bump afterwards, and while it was careless of Cena to lariat Miz outside the ring like that, Miz just flat out wasn’t skilled enough to protect himself in that situation.
Besides, even if you cut the awful ending from Cena/Miz, it still would’ve been in the top three worst Wrestlemania main events of all time behind the Sid matches. Cena’s an awful athlete, but Cena’s of better ability than having one star matches in the main event of Wrestlemania, it’s mostly on Miz.
Maybe this is a good thing for Miz?
The way he is, he’s been stale at the main-event level for a while now. Maybe he gets bumped down a peg, and some kind of character tweaking makes him more whatever- amusing, believable…
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2012 8:00 PM EST reply actions
I came to like the Miz
I didn’t like him when he debuted at all but he worked for awhile and worked his way up. I was even upset that he was getting buried before this because I think he was really good on the microphone and could have been doing better.
Now, however, he gets what’s coming. Wrestling is a dangerous business and wrestlers need to do all they can to protect their own. I don’t want him to see him released (though if he’s sloppy overall and htis wasn’t a one time mistake he deserves it.) But he’ll get buried for a bit and that’s fine. He was stale anyway post Mania. The only problem with that is their roster is so so weak right now that that even losing the Miz will hurt.
I think someone will rise
up and take one of the top heel spots. Cody Rhodes is a guy I would like to see get elevated.
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by Matt Champion on Feb 7, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
I do like Rhodes as a heel
I wish they would spend more time putting him in good programs where the I.C. title has more importance. I think most knew that Booker wasn’t going to get the title from him. What looked like a potential feud with Dustin would’ve been the same.
I think he could do a good job elevating a lesser known guy like a Gabriel as has been hinted at. I do think he could be pushed into the main event scene as well, given what the main event scene currently looks like.
by The Name is Dalton on Feb 7, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
What's going on with Golddust?
I know they were teasing some stuff between them two, but I haven’t heard anything has come of it (I don’t watch Smackdown, so…).
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 7, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
It literally I think was like two episodes.
Near the end of the Booker feud when Dustin came out and told him not to be such a meanie to a vet like Book. And then Cody giving him some shit or something backstage about being the best wrestler in the family, etc etc. hfl2013 is right in that they’ve literally ignored it for the last month I guess.
It’s a chance to get Cody some heel points by berating these veterans but I don’t think he needs them to get over as a heel. Given I think he does pretty decently on the mic and can put on an ok match I think he could be used elsewhere. It just buries the I.C. championship and his talent. There aren’t a lot of good heels.
by The Name is Dalton on Feb 7, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I love Rhodes
He’s one of my favorite young guys in the company. Barrett too.
At least with Booker the IC belt was on the line. The WWE has killed B titles which used to be so awesome. There have been the most epic of matches for the IC belt. (Steamboat vs. Macho, Razor vs. HBK, Rock vs HHH). Now it’s just eye candy.
The IC belt was on the line with Book
But I don’t think many people honestly thought there was any real chance of him winning it at this point in his career where he has mostly moved on to announcing. Even when Cole asked him if he would defend it regularly if he won he stumbled over an answer. Probably was scripted to have him be up in the air about it, but still.
They should be using it to elevate the young guys and give more substance to mid-card feuds. Instead Jack F’ing Swagger defends the U.S. title on Superstars and I hardly ever notice when Rhodes defends his title. To me it’s one of the bigger issues with the booking. I hate Swagger, but jesus don’t tell me you can’t fit in a 10 min match with someone on RAW when the show is littered with video promos and talking.
by The Name is Dalton on Feb 7, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Justin Gabriel gets a push?
I’d like to see that. However unlikely it is. They don’t seem to like having high flyers in the main event picture anymore. They even seem to make people who are that way reign it in if they’re getting a big push these days.
I apologize for my incorrect wording on that last sentence.
What I meant to say is I hope Cody elevates someone like Gabriel to the I.C. Belt level, so that CODY can move on to the main event scene because I think Rhodes could be at main event level. I agree on the part about them seeming to not love high flyers in the main event scene (or any scene).
The way I worded the last paragraph sounded like I was talking about Gabriel in regards to the main event but I definitely don’t see that happening. I meant Rhodes on that last sentence, sorry for the confusion!
by The Name is Dalton on Feb 8, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
miz hasnt ever seemed like a top performer to me
hes works hard for wwe but not hard as an actual wrestler imo.
he is unfairly blamed for the survivor series buyrates. but apparently thats what backstage ppl in wwe are thinking. could easily blame the buyrates on cena too.
but on raw he got very lucky. with truth not really injuring himself too badly. wouldnt say hes concerned more of protecting himself just bad judgement by him.
i understand now why most of his moves are just punches and kicks tho cos it could be a problem having him actually lift a guy heavier than mysterio up. he wont be gone anytime soon. he is amazingly one of wwe’s top guys (in their eyes) crazy.
This guy is fucking awful.
He has regressed about 110% from last year, when he was an okay douchebag champion who was passable in the ring. Now he’s a botch machine with a stupid duck face. I’m sorry, but other than his ability to do media (which he admittedly does very well), he just stinks. This guy needs to be protected by being put in a tag team with someone. He’s a tag team wrestler, IMO, which isn’t bad, but it is what it is.
I felt the same way about guys like Edge and (until he finally figured things out around the time he was feuding with Umaga over the IC title) Jeff Hardy. Some guys are just not good at singles stuff but are great at tag team stuff. On the other hand, those two guys didn’t suck at doing simple things like being a base for an airborne wrestler, either.
The problem, me thinks, is the lack of a tag team division and we're seeing its effect.
Tag team division existed for a reason: to develop characters and see which character can perform well in a singles division. Almost everyone who’s a superstar now began as a tag team (or in a stable) where they were developed. About 75-80% of the roster at the moment needs to be further developed as characters and wrestlers in some sort of group (stables, tag teams, etc) before they can float alone.
After all, you can’t walk when you haven’t crawled first.
His WrestleMania "Hate Me Now" vingette was fucking brilliant
and gave me hope that he’d turn into this huge heel that was Jericho 2.0, but he completely failed to capitalize. Part of it was booking, part of it was him not taking the opportunity and running with it.
Right now, I’d be fine with keeping Miz in the mid card and making the US Title relevant.
I have to disagree, I think it was mostly booking, next ppv after WrestleMania they have Miz beat the crap out of Cena for the whole match then it barely takes anything for him to say I Quit? If they were going to have Cena win they should of had him do more to Miz then hit him with a strap a couple times(I think that’s what happened)
I loved the Awesome Truth but they screwed up going into Survivor Series by not having them kick the crap out of Cena. Don’t get me wrong it was fucking awesome to see The Rock back in action but why did Cena need him when he had the upper hand every week on RAW?
The Legend
That was one of the worst things they've done with Cena and Miz in their WWE careers
It was a 2 on 1 handicap match where he is getting hit with everything, and then no sells it all just to put Miz in a 5 second STF. Absolutely awful booking.
And I think your second example might be the second worst thing they’ve done with Miz so far. Like you said, there was no reason Cena needed anyone to help beat Miz and Truth. He single-handedly did that week in and week out.
Miz is fantastic on the mic
I don’t think you can argue that. He has a perfect sort of “aura” of a pro wrestler behind the scenes. You see him on talk shows and doing interviews and you can see why the WWE would want to build around a superstar like the Miz.
On the otherhand, his technical skill and in ring work is not “bad” but it definitely doesn’t stand out and isn’t really “interesting.” And if he keeps making mistakes like this, it’s going to cost him. he has the look and the talking down, he has to improve in the ring.
Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.
Miz is fantastic on the mic, I don’t think you can argue that.
The last good promo Miz cut on TV was over a year ago, and even now, I don’t remember any of it, or what it led towards. Not to mention that even when he cuts a half decent promo, he always sounds like some retard reading off a script rather than an actual human being.
On the otherhand, his technical skill and in ring work is not "bad" but it definitely doesn’t stand out and isn’t really "interesting." And if he keeps making mistakes like this, it’s going to cost him. he has the look and the talking down, he has to improve in the ring.
Miz has been a wrestler for almost a decade now. He’s never been athletic, and is already at the age where people start losing their physical gifts. All he can rely on now is his knowledge as a worker, and judging by the fact that Miz has been in two decent singles matches his entire life, one of which was against a phenomenal athlete that involved using a lot of distractions, and one of which was up against the successor to Shawn Michaels, it would be foolish to expect him to get any better.
wwe politics strike back
tagging someone of being a risky worker because of ONE single mishap is just pure BS, these guys are human, and like every other human, they err, the screw up, they lose focus, they get involved in accidents, its stupid to even want them to be safe all the time
we saw orton break cody’s skull open with the bell a few months ago and the guy bleeding the fuck out in that arena, but it was orton so it was ok, right? accidents happen all the time…but when its a guy like the miz, hes an evil risky workers that will injure the fuck out of everyone and hes a bad worker because of that
STUPID STUPID STUPID
I agree.
I can’t stand Miz; I fast forward through him 100% of the time. I think he’s totally devoid of talent, and his success is a mystery to me. HOWEVER, it’s not fair to pin the Survivor Series buyrates on him or to call him a dangerous worker because of one incident. There’s just no way to know for sure what caused the low Survivor Series numbers, and blaming him for them is a bizarre bit of inductive reasoning. It’s not like Survivor Series has been doing booming business lately. And is there anyone who’s been wrestling for a significant period of time who hasn’t injured someone? Orton busted Cody open, then Cody returned the favor; Punk broke Mysterio’s nose; Owen Hart broke Stone Cold’s neck. I could go on. You don’t hear anyone bringing those incidents up.
by joliemadchen on Feb 7, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Miz has been clumzy and unatletic his entire career.
He’s never drawn as champion, and is in many ways detrimental to buyrates and ratings. He hasn’t cut a good promo in a long time, and his last good singles match was over a year ago, not to mention the fact that it was one of only two good singles matches he ever had.
Miz’s mistakes are the pattern.
When you can follow what the actual topic of the discussion is
chime in.
Until then, save your terrible posts until they are actually on topic.
Until you can find a match or promo Miz has done in the last 13 months that delivered, don't bother acting like you're right.
Hell, if you can find a good Miz singles, or even Triple Threat match other than his match with Danielson and his match with Morrison, I’m all ears.
Your topic is that until there's no pattern to the crappy Survivor Series buyrate being Miz's fault.
I won’t pretend that the booking was what killed most of the buyrate, but pretending that Miz does not deserved to be de-pushed at this point is at best misguided, and at worst laughable.
Name one reason why Miz does not deserved to be knocked down the card.
No, that's not the topic.
We were talking about being a physical danger in the ring to other wrestlers.
You really just spew whatever hot garbage you want to spew without really understanding whether or not it even fits into the topic at hand, don’t you, *?
I mean, hell, I agree with you that the guy sucks, but at least try and pretend that you understand what other people are discussing before you jump in.
by Razztopia on Feb 9, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Bret injured Randy Savage's knee.
At least I think it was Randy Savage. Bret wrote about it in his book and noted that that was the one time he really hurt someone—not a serious injury, but even Bret’s safety record is not untarnished.
Dude
he moved out of the way. All the other things you brought up were freak accidents, the Miz moved out of the way
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