Sting wants match with Undertaker before retiring, almost signed with WWE last year
I'm a little (okay, way) late getting to this but current TNA wrestler/on screen character Sting recently did an interview with Big Poppa in the Morning in New York and the subject of WWE came up.
Of course.
Surprisingly enough, Undertaker also made his way into the discussion. When asked who the one guy he hasn't worked with but would like to is, Sting just came right out and said it:
"Well, yeah, I would have to say the top one. And on Twitter, it's just all over Twitter, really, wrestling fans are just talking about it like crazy (so) I might as well just comment on it, but Undertaker. You know, I think wrestling fans have wanted to see Sting vs. Undertaker for years and I think between his gimmick and mine, it could be pretty cool. You could do some pretty cool stuff."
When Undertaker made his annual return to WWE last year, he did so with a series of video packages that were designed to be ambiguous (much like this years with Chris Jericho's return) to make folks think that Sting was the one who finally jumped ship and made his way to the company.
But various things continue to get in the way. For starters, Dixie Carter continues moving mountains for him, essentially giving him anything he wants while providing the easy going workload and travel schedule that longtime pro wrestlers long for. That combined with the ruthless backstage politics so prevalent in WWE -- something he's not familiar with and has stated many times in the past he doesn't trust -- have kept him away.
However, Sting admits that he's been very close to signing a deal, "three or four times" as he told Big Poppa. The most recent of which came last year:
"Yes and no. Who wouldn't want to say that they did at least one WrestleMania. I mean, I'm not going to lie to you. Of course, I'd like to be able to say I at least did one of those. That would be it. But I've had great conversations with them over the years and been real close on probably three or four different occasions on going up there. But there was always a need met or a desire of mine met with WCW and now with TNA and so I stay. (The last time I almost jumped was) last year, that's the truth. Very, very close."
Again, the reasons for his not signing last year are quite simple. Dixie Carter went above and beyond to keep him with TNA and his one dream match that he so obviously desires -- against Undertaker at WrestleMania -- was never going to happen because Triple H wanted that spot.
And there's simply no way in hell "The Game" would step aside to let Sting come in and do his thing while he had nothing going on, even if it would have been far better for business.
Last year also featured The Rock returning as guest host, so ultimately WWE decided they didn't need Sting and he ultimately didn't need them. He would eventually go on to have a big match against Hulk Hogan at Bound for Glory. In comparison to what could have been with Sting vs. 'Taker at 'Mania, one can't help but be rather sad about the entire ordeal.
It's also unfortunate that it looks as though the window of opportunity may be all but closed. Undertaker is penciled in for yet another match against Triple H this year and who knows where his health and desire will be by the time next year rolls around. Plus, Carter has been outright saying Sting is on his farewell tour this year and will likely be done as an active wrestler by the time 2013 rolls around. He refuted those claims but he's not getting any younger.
At a combined age of 98-years-old, it's hard to imagine either guy is long for the pro wrestling world. Anyone think there's still even a slight chance we'll see the two inside the ring together at WrestleMania before it's all said and done?
Any chance at all?
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Next year is the last chance
It would be a fitting cap to both careers. Build up Sting as the one force capable of ending the Streak, then let loose.
DO IT
DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT.
I don’t care if ’Taker has to wheel himself into the ring! MAKE IT HAPPEN AAROOOOO
This match has NEVER held any interest for me in the slightest
Taker vs Sting would just end up like Taker vs Vampiro: memorable for the combatants in the match but the match itself would be the drizzlng shits. Even after Sting updated himself creatively with THE CROW gimmick he was nothing more than an 80s wrestler with a frogsplash and the 2nd most famous figure-4 leg lock [after Brett Hart].
HHH got in the way?Try Sting’s ability to trust Vice McMahon’s handling of his ‘character’, which is laughable considering the abuse it took after Russo got ahold of him.
There have got to be at least 20 other wrestlers who are on the verge of being washed up or almost stars that should be considered before Sting.
I applaud Sting for not selling his soul.
I mean, why sell your soul to work for Vince and co. when you can do the same thing for the same amount of money while experiencing freedom? Surely Dixie figured it out. No matter how attractive this match at Wrestlemania seemed like, having freedom was way more attractive.
Are we sure?
g for the same amount of money
You have been banned from Bloody Elbow.
I don’t know what you said, but I don’t like you.
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by *Californication* on Feb 10, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
its way more money for the mania match with taker
that one ppv does more business then 20 gnat ppvs
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Feb 10, 2012 9:25 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What I’m saying is freedom > money.
Maybe Sting earns a bit more, less, way more, way less, whatever (which is irrelevant) but the main point is that he’s pretty happy and currently content where he’s at. Money poses little to no value compared to having freedom. And Sting gets to do what he loves at the same time without having all the bullshit surrounding him.
So, would it be cool to see Sting vs Taker? Sure. And I would definitely mark out. But having this match is considered as a bonus, not a necessity. If Sting has to sacrifice one thing he values a lot (freedom), then it’s not worth it.
by Sir Ingenious on Feb 10, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Well said
It’s not like Sting is broke. He just needs to stay and hold onto that WCW pride. WWE ‘wrestling’ is a joke. Not worth joining for that garbage, to wrestle bald Undertaker with shot legs lol…What’s the upside there?
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 10, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
why does working for Vince equate to selling your soul?
That makes no sense to me
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Because the product is horrible
TNA is more WCW-ish…better wrestling than WWE, not as strong in the entertainment (ie what brings the 10-15 year olds flocking and keeping WWE over 2.0 each Monday).
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 11, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
you mean ran by fucks
and fixing to close down?
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Feb 11, 2012 12:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
That's the biggest similarity
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 11, 2012 2:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
True
I don’t know how TNA is still alive. But WWE’s wrestling just sucks dick, that’s the point I’m trying to make here and outside of Dolph and CM, it’s true.
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 11, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone
thinking TNA is on verge of closing is misinformed. Theyre actually bigger outside of US, bigger than WWE in places like UK. They just smashed record attendance record. They make profit every year
by LilNaitch on Feb 11, 2012 11:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
TNA loses money on every PPV they show.
They haven’t sold out any buildings in years.
The last good PPV number they did was four years ago.
Every U.S. company does good overseas, it never means they aren’t floundering in their native territory, in fact, usually it means they are.
All TNA’s big stars are incapable of drawing a crowd no matter how they’re matched together anymore.
Less people than ever on message board even talks about TNA ever since the disaster that was Victory Road 2011.
TNA doesn’t have the UFC to mooch off of anymore.
Everyone thinks Bobby Roode is a joke.
These are all things that are killing the company. It’s nice that TNA lowered the role Russo has in its creative process, but until they get people to pay for their product again, it’s a meaningless gesture.
very true mate
TNA is on free tv here in the UK, which accounts for the viewing figures that are released. WWE is on cable/satellite PLUS the sports package on top of that. It’s all relative of course, and TNA is popular over here but the viewing figures are an unfair comparison to use i feel.
by gandhimaster on Feb 22, 2012 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
God damn did you watch the last few years of that WCW shitfest? And you say WWE isn’t wrestling? Holy Christ lol
by Chris Cutrer on Feb 11, 2012 6:22 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yep, I did
AOL had monkeys running the company and guys like Chuck Palumbo getting big pushes. Funny thing is 2000 WCW as bad as it was still drew the same as WWE draws now, and that was with competition.
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 12, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
sting vs undertaker at mania? could happen sometime in the future but why do it?
yeah both are legends of the biz but they arent young anymore.
plus after the mania and undertaker beats sting. what next for sting? theres nothing else for him to do then. so it worked out better for him. cos atm in his GM role for tna. hes been rather entertaining.
it could still well be a very entertaining match but after its done. theres no point at all to it.
too many people unfairly judge wwe. they hold it on a pedestal whilst criticise tna despite it being far more entertaining than wwe. wwe usually and are atm focus on a few stories. wwe with punk/jericho and bryan’s reign, they do have cena-kane but that is blah. tna focuses on more thus theres more to like.such as roode, x division, knockouts, tag teams, aj/daniels, kaz, garrett/eric bischoff(1 story i dont like)
That would be Sting's retirement
He can have his match against Taker at Wrestlemania and then retire from the ring. The next year, you can have both he and Taker inducted into the WWE HOF and get a nice legends contract while the WWE rolls out some Sting DVD.
I don't know
Sting would lose some of the mystique that he has for being the one “Vince never got”.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 10, 2012 9:35 PM EST reply actions
And what is that worth?
Suum Cuique
by Rawuncutnxrated on Feb 10, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Everything to Sting
That’s all that matters. Vince can’t buy him no matter how much money.
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 10, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
It's the only thing that makes me think of Sting as somehow unique/special,
almost 20 years after his sell-by date.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 10, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
To clarify,
that is to say, it’s the only thing that makes him special/different from anybody else since the early-to-mid ’90s, his heyday. Plenty of WCW guys were pretty big, and then come over to the WWF/E at varying times, and just became faces in the wrestling crowd- staying at WWF/E for however long, going to TNA or more low-key promotions, bouncing around all of those, etc.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Feb 10, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I never really...
Understood why ’Taker and Sting seemed like such a dream match.
I mean, it’s not like either has similar styles or even gimmicks anymore.
by Sergio Hernandez on Feb 10, 2012 10:09 PM EST reply actions
I would say its the two biggest legends form the two
biggest companys. the physical match might not hit 5 stars but it could be great imo
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Feb 10, 2012 10:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Taker's been there and done that.
Flair was much bigger than Sting.
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hulk hogan is the biggest legend from both of the two biggest companies.
WWF in the 80s, WCW in the mid 90s. Sorry flair, but WCW was an afterthought until Hollywood turned heel.
Kenwo4life=ratings. Just call me Mr. USA Today.
Wrong
WCW was turning the tide in early 96. It takes a while for the ratings to show and if you watch the Nitro’s in 96 the wrestling was awesome.
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 11, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
What kind of legend is Hogan? He’s legendary for being popular, being an egomaniac, and for refusing to put other stars over. Obviously he was a huge star. But while ability to sell tickets might be the only important factor from the business side of wrestling, as fans we are not obligated to share that perspective. As an in-ring performer, and as a promo man, Hogan was never in Flair’s class.
"I've been throwing hockey pucks at him all day, and he hasn't felt a thing!"
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And before
WCW the NWA was killing WWF. WITH FLAIR/HORSEMEN, while Hogan was preaching take your vitamins
by LilNaitch on Feb 11, 2012 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
killing? really
not sure if serious
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Feb 11, 2012 11:52 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
“In comparison to what could have been with Sting vs. ‘Taker at ’Mania, one can’t help but be rather sad about the entire ordeal.”
Taker is not that much better than Hogan at this point. 10-15 years ago, would it have been cool with Taker and Sting close to their prime? Sure.
Bottom line, if this ever happened, Sting would be jobbing to UT. We all know it. Sting knows it. So is it really worth it to give up all the years of WCW for that? Hell no. WCW pride..WCW 4 life.
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 10, 2012 10:34 PM EST reply actions
ahahahahahhahhahaha
Taker is not that much better than Hogan at this point.
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Bald..shot knees...
Just another washed up wrestler. I like Sting too, and he’s washed up. Just the facts, these dudes are f’n 50-60 years old lol.
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 10, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Dude
watch Hogan’s last match and watch Undertakers. Saying they’re basically the same is asinine.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Feb 10, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Undertaker is still fully capable of moving and taking bumps
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 10, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
When was the last time he's wrestled???
Well?
So you base something on how a dude performed hundreds of days ago, when at his age his body ages fast and is not exactly ripe for getting in the ring again…thus, you can’t extrapolate his last match and say he’ll perform the same in the next one, especially with his health ailments.
But again, I said he’s not much better than Hogan. That’s not asinine, that’s the truth. Undertaker doesn’t get half the shit Sting or Hogan or Nash get but he’s just as cashed. Which is why he hasn’t wrestled in a like a year lol
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 11, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Your basing this on speculation
Taker hasn’t had nowhere near as bad of a match as Nash did at TLC. Your WCW/TNA bias is clouding your judgement.
by Holls Hoyce on Feb 11, 2012 6:11 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ok...
Willing to admit WCW bias, but it’s funny that no one comments on the elephant in the room ie Undertaker’s health and the fact he hasn’t wrestled in a year. It’s hard to have a bad match when you can’t even get in the damn ring.
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 11, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Speculation
Isn’t that what everyone is doing about Undertaker who hasn’t wrestled in a year? Maybe he hasn’t wrestled in a year because his body is fucked, reasonable hypothesis?
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 11, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
People have been speculating that Undertaker's been finished since 2000.
But the thing is, he always finds a way to deliver.
Back in 2001, people thought that as talented as Triple H was, there was no way he could have a great match with Undertaker.
Back in 2002, people thought that as talented as Triple H Kurt Angle was, there was no way he could have a great match with Undertaker.
Back in 2002, people thought there was no way Undertaker was having a great match with Brock Lesnar at the HiaC after ’Taker’s stinker of a Cell match with Bossman.
Back in 2004, people watching Smackdown thought there was no way John Cena was having a decent match with Undertaker on free TV, he was just a bloated musclehead.
Back in 2006, people though there was no way someone as washed up as Kurt Angle would have the WWE MOTY with Undertaker at No Way Out.
Back in 2007 people watching Smackdown Wrestlemania thought there was no way John Cena Batista was having a decent fantastic match with Undertaker on free TV despite it being the biggest PPV of the year, he was just a bloated musclehead.
Last year, people though there was no way someone as washed up as Kurt Angle Triple H would have the WWE MOTY, and only good match on the card, with Undertaker at No Way Out Wrestlemania 27.
At some point, there’s enough evidence to validate the expectation of Undertaker having a good match at this years ‘Mania and you having no idea what you’re talking about, and that point was three examples ago.
Yeah, that Batista match at 23
Never thought in a million years that it was going to be good because Batista had been really off since returning.
I never doubted Undertaker again after that match.
by monkeystyle on Feb 11, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
The Batista match was 5 years ago
2007 was 5 years ago. That makes a difference when you’re talking about a dude over 50.
And Triple H + Undertaker was not that good, sorry…it’s subjective, but I wasn’t impressed by watching two aging stars go at it, especially considering how predictable it is for UT at Wrestlemania as far as whether he wins or not.
So yea, most of the matches I could care less about…people bought it, because it was Wrestlemania, but my positive memories from Undertaker are from the 90’s not his 2000 and later garbage.
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 12, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Over fifty?
Taker is 46
bad troll is bad
by rice rice baby on Feb 12, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
to be fair to taker....
He pretty much only wrestles at mania. Hopefully his body is ok to do it, the difference between he and hogan/sting etc is that he appears to know his limits. I think in a one time a year match situation he has always performed much better than anybody would have guessed he could, so hopefully he and Sting can do mania next year. But Sting would have to be in the company, and not wrestling for a few months prior to build the illusion. If they have any other matches around that time it could make them both look their age…
by gandhimaster on Feb 22, 2012 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
WTF does being bald have to do with anything. Dude shaved his head, the shit didn’t fall out.
by Chris Cutrer on Feb 11, 2012 6:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Sting can't go anymore.
Anything over 5 minutes and he’s winded and lost. Sting-v-Undertaker would be the biggest let-down since Hart-v-McMahon or Lesnar-v-Goldberg.
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It would be a match that wouldn't need a lot of big spots to be great
The 2 can work at their pace and just tell a story in the ring. It would be like Goldberg-Lesnar where simply having the match-up happen in front of a crowd would be good enough to get the audience to mark out. Except it would be with 2 guys who actually know how to tell a story in the ring and wouldn’t end up just spending 5 minutes staring at each other.
Sting's last great match was in 1994.
Stings last good match that wasn’t with a superworker was in 2000 against DDP.
He’s not in the same boat as Undertaker at this point, and there’s very little chance that either Vince McMahon or Undertaker would really build up a 52 year old who’s never worked for WWE and who hasn’t drawn money or been culturally relevant since before all the non female fans of John Cena were born.
Realistically, the only options at this point are Cena, Orton, and Triple H, and seeing as Cena never takes any of his feuds seriously or cuts a promo that ever actually addressees the points anyone has, what’s happening now really is the best option.
The beauty of the match up is that they don't have to do a damn thing to build it up except let it happen
You saw how crazy the internet went last year when they thought the matchup would happen.
But the thing is, at this point, the Streak needs both hype and a good match.
That’s why even though Mark Henry and Kane are both realistic options to beat the Streak, nobody wants to see them have a match at ‘Mania because nobody wants Undertaker to go out on a one star and change shitfest, or even two star and change tedium. Undertaker’s next match needs to be great, and Sting can’t do that anymore.
Sting is on a whole different level than either of those guys
Someone brought up WM 18 with Rock/Hogan. That would be the best comparison. Its a match that would be so highly anticipated with such a hot crowd, that the 2 wouldn’t have to put on a normal 5 star match to get that same reaction. If they went through their regular moves and were able to just add a bit to that, it would be enough. And if you give Sting a few months to prepare for one last match, he’d be able to hold his own with Taker.
Like I said, you're not taking into account how well most of todays WWE fans would think of Sting.
Keep in mind, many of the old WCW fans that watched Sting back at Starrcade ’97, which fucking sucked, just plain stopped watching pro wrestling back in 2001 once WCW went belly up, and WWE gave them no reason to want to watch again after the InVasion debacle. Not to mention the fact that WWE has never treated a WCW icon well unless they jumped ship while WCW was still on the air, and the guy who treated the WCW castoffs worst of all was the Undertaker.
I do agree with you that Sting is much better than Kane and Henry, Sting’s match with Kurt Angle at Hardcore Justice was better than any match Kane or Henry ever had, but that doesn’t mean Sting is any good at this point, and even if he was, there’s no reason to believe WWE would want to make him look like a threat in 2012.
I think you're forgetting what the hype was like when people thought Sting was coming to the WWE last year
There are plenty of people out there who still think of Sting as a legend and would treat a Taker-Sting match as such. And with a halfway decent build up, any fans who don’t see the significance of Icon vs. Phenom will get a much needed history lesson.
Until said hype produces numbers, money, and the probablility of a good match, it's just speculation.
You’ve still yet to show any evidence that most WWE fans even remember who Sting was, why he was important, why WCW was important, why Undertaker and Vince McMahon would put aside their hatred of WCW, and why the match would be any good. Meanwhile, there’s a whole slew of evidence to the contrary.
If you have something tangible that would prove any of that false, I’d love to hear it, but what I’m not interested in hearing is another retreaded argument of how over it was with the internet fans, or how the crowd was popping huge for the possibility of it being Sting.
Your posts always end up making me just roll my eyes at you
You think McMahon tried signing Sting last year because he hates WCW and just wanted Taker to squash him in 2 minutes?
And do you have any proof that Taker-Sting wouldn’t be any good? Because the second you can provide some proof that a match-up that has yet to happen wouldn’t be good, I’ll show you the evidence that it will be good.
I really should have known better than to try having any conversation with you. Because all you have to go on is bull shit that you spew as hard facts while refusing to even acknowledge the possibility that something might not end up as total crap.
You think McMahon tried signing Sting last year because he hates WCW and just wanted Taker to squash him in 2 minutes?
Yes, this is exactly what I think, because this is exactly what happened to countless well known outsiders when they came to WWE, especially if they were from WCW. If the WWE careers Booker T, Lance Storm, DDP, Chris Kanyon, Kronik, a dozen other people, and the n.W.o. aren’t enough to prove this to you, what would be?
And do you have any proof that Taker-Sting wouldn’t be any good? Because the second you can provide some proof that a match-up that has yet to happen wouldn’t be good, I’ll show you the evidence that it will be good.
If the last millennium of Sting never having a great match isn’t enough for you, and the last millennium of Undertaker having terrible matches with WCW mainstays isn’t enough either, what would be?
Hell, I’ve never seen Gravity with my own two eyes, but the trillion ton rock floating through space I’ve spent my entire life bounded upon is enough to prove it exists, just as the last dozen years of evidence is enough to prove it exists. I’m not going to accept anything else as even a possibility until someone can come up with a very airtight argument otherwise, and not just some, “you never know, there might not be any gravity” non-point.
I really should have known better than to try having any conversation with you. Because all you have to go on is bull shit that you spew as hard facts while refusing to even acknowledge the possibility that something might not end up as total crap.
As a man who’s been defensive of the Undertaker/HHH storyline, the Punk/Jericho storyline, and Sheamus winning the Rumble, I resent that remark.
I’m not pessimisstic for the sake of it, I’m pessimistic because after years of getting let down, expecting positive outcomes is foolishness. It’d be like growing up in China, and expecting the Government to be open and honest with you, sure, there are times they’re telling you the truth, but all of that is immediately invalidated by the endless stream of propoganda. They’ve given you little reason to be open, so you shouldn’t be.
What about Jericho, Eddie Guererro
Chris Benoit, Ric Flair, Rey Mysterio, Big Show, Booker T has had a rather successful career in the WWE, Jamie Noble, Billy Kidman had a nice run with the company, Gegory Helms (aka the Hurricane). All these guys were WCW guys and had rather good runs with the WWE and if I’m not mistaken Mr. McMahon has said many times he has respect for Sting so its not going to be a two minute squash match.
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 11, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
What about Jericho, Eddie Guererro, Chris Benoit, Ric Flair,
All four of these guys jumped into WWE before WCW died at some point. Only Ric Flair was still with WCW once it sank ship, and Flair and Vince have always had a good relationship ever since Vince Sr. voted for Flair to win the NWA Title.
Also, you have to consider that Vince McMahon had Benoit and Eddie lose in their first WWE matches clean, and the disaster that was Chris Jericho’s Undisputed Title Reign.
Rey Mysterio, Big Show, Booker T has had a rather successful career in the WWE,
Of the three of these guys, the only one who received even a semi-consistent push was Big Show, and I cannot emphasize the phrase “semi-consistent” enough in this case, as the first year Show was with WWE almost completely obliterated his momentum. Not to mention that Show was the only one of these three who left WCW before the ship sank.
It’s true that Booker T eventually got a push on the B-Show, but that was after completely changing his gimmick, beating up Batista in a legit fight, and spending the previous half decade of his WWE career getting jobbed into the midcard as both a face and heel.
Mysterio has been jobbed more times than any other WWE main eventer, or even upper mid carder. It took him four years, the death of Eddie Guerrero, and Batista being sidelined for months before he was given the belt, and the moment he won the belt, without ever pinning the champion and Angle making Orton tap clean behind the referee’s back in the ‘Mania Triple Threat, he was jobbed constantly. Rey was beaten clean by Angle the next week, lost clean to the Great Khali and Mark Henry, and was pinned clean by JBL but his feet were knocked onto the ropes by JBL’s lariat. All this happened despite the fact that Rey had lifted merch his entire career, drew in big with the Hispanic market, and was the best worker in the company not named Shawn Michaels.
The closest thing Rey received to a push during that time period was a clean win over Shawn Michaels the week Eddie died, and keep in mind, that’s the same week Chavo Guerrero scored a clean win over Triple H.
Jamie Noble, Billy Kidman had a nice run with the company, Gegory Helms (aka the Hurricane).
Between the three of them, only one scored a victory over anyone important even once, Hurricane against Rocky, and was immediately beaten by Triple H not even a month afterwards. And if you start using the Cruiserweight title as a defense for their jobbing, I might just die in hysterics.
I’m not mistaken Mr. McMahon has said many times he has respect for Sting so its not going to be a two minute squash match.
I’ve heard this many times myself, and while I believe Vince is being sincere in this comment, Vince didn’t let his respect for the other WCW workers keep him from jobbing him to his guys at every chance. This doesn’t even get into the fact that most WCW fans haven’t watched wrestling in over a decade, and Undertaker, as much as I love the guy, was the chief burial master for WCW’s native crew even after the InVasion was over.
Why is the cruiserweight title a joke when they had it
just because Hornswaggle was the last champ doesn’t mean it didn’t mean something then
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"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Feb 12, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
just because Hornswaggle was the last champ doesn’t mean it didn’t mean something then
I could write a PhD thesis on the ways this isn’t true, and that’s without even getting into the Chavo Sr., Jacqueline, and Funaki reigns.
It's all a matter of opinion
There is definitely evidence as to what Vince did to ex WCW guys, as you rightly point out. But, I don’t understand why a potential Taker/Sting match upsets you so much. It could suck. It could be good. Hell, it could even be great. People on here are suggesting that in a one match situation, both Taker and Sting could put on a great match. Taker does it every year, and Sting has had some decent TNA matches. The facts are that neither are getting any younger, but can still wrestle to varying degrees. There is no proof that Vince would bury Sting. There is no proof he won’t. But he may have realised his past mistakes. Why are you stating opinions as facts to back up your views?
by gandhimaster on Feb 22, 2012 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
Where is the evidence Taker can go at this moment in time?
Sting has at least been wrestling on occasion, while Taker is basically in Hogan shape with the shot legs.
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 10, 2012 10:43 PM EST reply actions
And none of Sting's matches have been anything resembling good.
"...Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons" - Douglas Adams
takers last three mania
matchs have more stars then the whole last ten years of stings. I personally thank that they could both get up and give us a good show for one last time.
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Feb 11, 2012 12:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Taker can barely move...
Took him like 15 minutes to get to the ring when he was just on Raw. And he has an f’n toupee on his head, to go with Hogan-like legs…
Be objective people, call it like you see it…he’s just as done as all the other old shits that hang on and hang on (I’m dissing my own guys when I say this – because I analyze things objectively..)
Conewalker
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 11, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
If you were actually looking at things objectively
You’d understand that while Undertaker may be breaking down he has always been able to pull it out for WrestleMania.
As to your other points, Undertaker has always taken his sweet time in getting to the ring. It’s part of the entrance. And the wig? Yeah, it looks pretty terrible but I’m not certain how that’s going to affect his wrestling ability unless you’re trying to say that Undertaker is a modern day Samson.
You’re not being objective, you’re being obtuse.
by monkeystyle on Feb 11, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
u said everything I wanted to say
but better in everyway.
gold star★ pilot
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Feb 11, 2012 11:23 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I never
got one of those in school.
Today is the happiest day of my life.
by monkeystyle on Feb 11, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
tha intranets making dreams come
through since al gore blessed us with this thing in the 80s
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Feb 11, 2012 11:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
if I knew how to make one
I’d give you another!
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
lol
Everyone loves you because it’s a bunch of WWE marks in here.
Undertaker is old and can barely go, just like all the other old-ass wrestlers that keep on going.
I say I’m objective because I say the guys I like are done and old too. But the way you guys talk about it, UT is in his fucking prime lol. That’s called, because a mark…
Conewalker
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 12, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
yes I'm dewy Cox on that one.
taker has been my favourite since his debut with the gimmick. you have your opinion and I respect that.
but to say his last match was huckster quality is far from unbiased.
that shit with stinger was atrocious and happened just a few months after takers
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Feb 12, 2012 10:27 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
dude how long have you been watching wrestling?
took him like 15 minutes to get to the ring when he was just on Raw
he’s been doing that for 20 years now
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
by 49erLou on Feb 11, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Again with the bald thing, why does that matter? Have you ever seen a Taker entrance, it always lasts a while.
by Chris Cutrer on Feb 11, 2012 6:29 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Seriously, the Hogan comps need to stop
Taker can still move. Hogan can’t. Its that simple. The only comparison between the 2 is that they’re both old.
Taker can't move well anymore
Be objective. He’s over 50. His legs are shot. That is not my opinion, that is fact that his legs are shot.
The way you people talk you’d think Undertaker is like a 30 year old dude in his prime. He hasn’t wrestled in a year! How can he be that great if he can barely go once a year…
Conewalker
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by WolvesDenHoops on Feb 12, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
He's over 50?
that’s a fact huh?
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
awesome
I wish I could rec this a thousand times.
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
Its absolutely ridiculous that people are acting as if Taker can't do anything at all
He’s not the same guy he once was, that much is true. But its not like we’re talking about Kevin Nash. The Phenom still moves better than most guys his size and half his age.
yeah it's nuts
no one is saying he looks like he’s in his prime, but comparing him to Hogan is ridiculous.
"Cruelty, It’s not giving another person what they want. That’s our mindset on defense, to go out and play with everything we have and not give the other team anything." -Patrick Willis
One thing I'd love to see
is a highlight package of Hogan matches since he left the WWE. I could use a good laugh right now.
It will never happen.
Sting can;t hang with the Undertaker and he knows it. At this point, the only thing Sting has left is his “biggest wrestler to never wrestle in WWE.”
Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.
by Grim Spandango on Feb 10, 2012 11:24 PM EST reply actions
I'm on board for Taker vs. Lesnar.
#HustleLoyaltyVagisil
by TheAngryApe on Feb 10, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry I think this would be one of the coolest matches ever
It could turn out awful and I still think it would be cool because it’s two of the guys that arguably meant the the most to each promotion during the 90s. Other stars came and went but those two were always there.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
If this happens I won’t watch it. In 1995 I would have totally freaked out for this match. But both men are past their primes, to put it mildly, and as far as I’m concerned Steve Borden hasn’t been Sting since he put on that Crow makeup. If this match happens now it would just make me bitter. More bitter.
"I've been throwing hockey pucks at him all day, and he hasn't felt a thing!"
-- Road Warrior Hawk
As much as I was on board with this match
I’ve come around to being against it. At this point, what purpose does it serve besides finally seeing Sting in WWE? Jack all.
by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 11, 2012 11:00 AM EST reply actions
As a huge Sting mark I want to see him in WWE once before he retires and hopefully gets the HOF/Legends treatment. That match would probably suck but the Sting fan in me would love the hype and story surrounding a match with Taker.
by DustinH(oo) on Feb 11, 2012 12:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
A few(5+?) years ago this would've been cool....
I couldn’t care less now though.
This match is on the same level as
The Rock and Shawn Michaels if it were to ever happen. I would mark the hell out for this.
by E-ROC on Feb 11, 2012 4:08 PM EST via Android app reply actions
This match would probably be considered bad
The only thing this needs is a very very hot crowd (WM X8) to make a mediocre match be a great moment in wrestling history
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by IRodC on Feb 11, 2012 4:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

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