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When Brock Lesnar made the crossover to MMA, I had been out of pro wrestling fandom for a few years. Mixed martial arts captivated my teenage thirst for realistic combat that pro wrestling could no longer quench. One of my favorite fighters as I grew more in tune with the sport was Chuck Liddell or, "The Iceman." Liddell was a brutal knockout artist who could put your lights out with nearly any punch or kick he threw.

Unfortunately, those were all highlights by the time I learned about MMA. Liddell had become a fighter without a chin, likely the most tragic thing in the sport. Chuck had been 1-3 in his last four fights when I started watching, with him having been knocked out cold by Rashad Evans and Quinton Jackson and having gone to war against Wanderlei Silva and Keith Jardine. This didn't fare well for Liddell's chin and he was again knocked out by Mauricio Rua. Needless to say, the jury was out for the former UFC light heavyweight champion.

However, UFC president Dana White was always close pals with Chuck and gave him one last fight against a personal foe in Tito Ortiz. Liddell vs. Ortiz had been a rivalry that helped MMA reach the pinnacle it has reached today. The story goes that Liddell and Ortiz were acquaintances and training partners. Ortiz was leading a reign of terror over the 205-pound division and Liddell was going to help him with his striking while Ortiz would help with grappling. Liddell allegedly would bust Tito up on the feet so badly that Tito would be knocked down and refuse to get up. These tensions came to fruition when Ortiz seemingly ducked a fight with Liddell, claiming that their "friendship" wasn't worth the money that was being thrown at them to fight (NOTE: MMA still had not hit their stride in popularity. This was before The Ultimate Fighter had been created and the sport had just come off being outlawed).

Eventually, Liddell got to fight Ortiz and finished him with punches in the second round. Liddell went on to capture the championship and ended up fighting Ortiz two years later. Although Ortiz's boxing had sharply improved, Liddell still finished Tito with punches in the third round.

Ortiz's career became as much of a joke as Liddell's in the aftermath of this fight. Including his loss to Liddell, Tito went 0-3-1 in his next four fights before being matched up with Liddell once again. Tito would come with a plethora of excuses in case of a loss, including coming into a fight with a "cracked skull."

The duo were slated to coach The Ultimate Fighter's 11th season. The season proved to be arduous to watch. Liddell's knockout losses and rock star lifestyle had been racking up and Chuck's speech was often slurred and littered with plenty of incoherent thoughts. Tito was never a book-smart guy and presented his normal meathead persona, all the while displaying thin skin for anything Liddell had to say to him.

To end this rather sad story in the MMA world, Ortiz had to pull out with a back injury that had been nagging him for the majority of his career. Liddell was matched up against replacement Rich Franklin and subsequently was disconnected from his senses by a Franklin right hand, albeit after turning in a better than average performance. Ortiz still fights today, but is facing his retirement coming up after a slew of bad performances. Liddell was forced into retirement and now holds a role in the UFC's front office.

Anyone drawing some parallels here? Follow me after the jump to hear about a similar tale in the pro wrestling world.

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This past week on RAW, Triple H came out to cut a promo on The Undertaker confronting him for a Wrestlemania rematch before Hunter could fire our favorite Executive Vice President of Talent Relations and Interim Raw General Manager, John Laurinaitis. This segment lasted twenty minutes and ended with a pretty eerie and nicely presented video package of Undertaker sitting in a dark room and pining for a rematch with Triple H. This video package was pretty effective and capped off the promo well.

Unfortunately, it wasn't as effective or enjoyable when they showed it later in the night to recap what happened.

Undertaker and Triple H have taken a high card slot on two WrestleManias before. This isn't surprising, given Triple H liking to cash in his son-in-law card with Vince McMahon to get high-level booking and attention. On what is likely still the best WrestleMania of all-time in WrestleMania 17, HHH and 'Taker delivered what many fans consider the weakest link on the card.

However, the rematch went down at last year's WrestleMania 27 and delivered a classic match. Both men sold and took bumps like it was their swan song in the business. Of course, Undertaker extended the streak to 19-0 with his Hell's Gate submission (gogoplata in MMA, yet another similarity). Undertaker was taken off on a stretcher and most were legitimately questioning if he was injured. Triple H walked out under his own power.

Not unlike the Liddell vs. Ortiz rivalry, the first two matches were accepted by the fans and things were hunky dory. However, with the build up to the third match slowly starting, I cannot help but draw so many parallels to the aforementioned MMA rivalry.

Both men cannot accept the fading of the spotlight on their generation of wrestlers from the 90s and their lack of relevance to today's storylines. Just like both fighters, fans will pop loudly because of the legacy both men have in the ring. In reality, the men risk ruining their legacies this way, just as the fighters did by taking fights past their primes. Triple H is slowly ascending to Hulk Hogan levels of booking abuse, while still trying to wrestle and maintain a front office position like Liddell did recently in trying to campaign for a final fight for Ortiz's retirement match. Undertaker returns once or twice a year as both of these fighters did to take a match and still manages to look broken down.

Even in terms of injuries, the similarities are striking. Triple H's quadriceps mimics the back problems that would plague Ortiz. While Triple H's quads would blow out during high spots, Ortiz's back severely affected his bread and butter in the double-leg takedown. Liddell and Undertaker have both greatly slowed with age and their quality of performance has diminished with each outing.

And not unlike season 11 of The Ultimate Fighter, we could have a lackluster build up into something tragic. While the UFC's show was predictable and sad to watch, the WWE is using the the same script with minimal tweaks for this year's rematch. Undertaker comes out, points to the sign, and poses. Triple H rejects this time around, but will be goaded into a rematch. That said, the tragedy that could infest WrestleMania lies in HHH's booking power. With Undertaker being exposed at last year's WrestleMania, this could be the opportune time for Hunter to book himself to end the historic streak, thus ending one of the most sacred WrestleMania traditions.

In all, this storyline has all the makings to be as melancholy as the Liddell vs. Ortiz rivalry. The bittersweet thing that could come from this is a classic match that puts the bookend on legendary careers for both. Whether this feud that will seemingly close both mens in-ring careers will leave us high and dry like its MMA counterpart remains to be seen, but all signs are pointing to a pretty sour ending that will validate one man's front office career and end another WWE tradition.

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Oh come on

The pessimism here regarding the Streak is ridiculous. If Undertaker doesn’t want the streak to end, it will not end. Triple H does not have the pull to end the streak if Taker does not buy into it. The fact that Triple H has positioned himself on the “high ground” of being “the man that walked out of WM27 on his own” makes it even more likely that he will take the loss. The fact that there’s a nice round number in 20-0 coming soon for Undertaker makes it likely he will not end the Streak. The fact that, despite all of Triple H’s politicking, the man knows that the Streak will benefit the business more in the future than his hollow victory makes it likely that he will not the Streak,

Look, I get it, if there’s one man who has enough hubris and pull to potentially end the Streak unfavorably, it’s Trips. But with the way the buildup has started, it seems all the more clear that he will not do that. Too many people here are overly paranoid about Trips’s booking powers.

by Michael Jong on Feb 10, 2012 4:55 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

The fact that he has that power at all is scary enough. I’m sure he can enact that power, especially if this is Undertaker’s last match.

We are Ruining Your Special Night, motherfuckers!

by mountaineers101 on Feb 10, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Not if Taker doesn't want it.

Taker wrestles once a year (im sure he has creative control at Mania) if he doesn’t want it, he wont do it. Are they gonna fire him? LOL

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by *Californication* on Feb 10, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, exactly.

Taker is a smart, smart man. Working for Vince AND maintaining frame is hard to do. And then having his son in law running rampant backstage makes things tad difficult to maintain that frame.

Fire Taker? Sure, he has money anyways and notasinglefuck is given that day. He’ll just go back to scuba diving and taking pics with Michelle McCool. And doing things to her. So in this case, I’ll say that Taker has the upper hand on Trips AND Vince. That streak is the property of Deadman, Inc.

by Sir Ingenious on Feb 10, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

For all the crap that Vince gets

I can’t imagine him letting things get that way with Taker. Vince is pretty loyal to his top guys and Taker has been there for his business for the past 20 years.

by hfl2013 on Feb 11, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

If Trips ends the Streak

I don’t think he replaces Hogan as the worst at backstage politics, but he becomes 1B.

by Jonathan Loesche on Feb 10, 2012 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

Definitely.

We are Ruining Your Special Night, motherfuckers!

by mountaineers101 on Feb 10, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Trips can’t end Taker’s streak – this is all Taker.

Taker has the power over his own streak, why? Because he owns it. All he has to do is not show up at Wrestlemania under his own power and Taker’s streak remains intact. What can Trips do then to convince himself and the fans that he has broken the steak in a legitimate manner? Nothing. So if the streak ends, it’s because Taker agreed to it.

Oh and what’s “1B”?

by Sir Ingenious on Feb 10, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed this is one of the few times vince has to dance to a wrestlers tune

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by dandeman on Feb 10, 2012 8:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

1B...

Means that Hogan would be 1A. That is, they would be equal in backstage political finagling.

Time to spread a little chaos...

by Shadowbird on Feb 10, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not how numbering works, shadow

1a comes before 1b, it’s just stating that it’s a small gap.

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by C. J. Bradford on Feb 11, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Feb 13, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell’s Gate submission (omoplata in MMA, yet another similarity)

Hell’s Gate is a gogoplata. D-BRY’s LeBell Lock is closer to an omoplata.

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by sun yue on Feb 10, 2012 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

Oh god. What a fail. Thanks for catching that for me, teammate!

We are Ruining Your Special Night, motherfuckers!

by mountaineers101 on Feb 10, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

You completely lost me at this quote...
Both men cannot accept the fading of the spotlight on their generation of wrestlers from the 90s and their lack of relevance to today’s storylines.


Despite the internet’s [undestandable] smart hatred for HHH, there is nothing to indicate that this is true as of 2012. ESPECIALLY in the case of The Undertaker. There is absolutely nothing to back up that wildly ecaggerated statment when it comes to Taker.

As far as ‘relevance to storylines’ go, have you actually dissected the storylines? They’re the same dusty old chestnuts we’ve been getting for years at their core and I hardly think that ‘wrestler A comes out and challenges wrestler B’ has been expanded upon as of Monday night These guys are fictional combatants, not jazz musicians.

by Patrick Eakin on Feb 10, 2012 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

Did you not hear the crowd reaction during the Kevin Nash-Triple H ladder match in Baltimore? I bet morgues are more lively.

You are getting an influx of younger fans and people tuning in because of things like CM Punk’s “shoot” promo. People are still going to mark out for Undertaker and Triple H because they have left a legacy. Doesn’t mean they are capable of putting on a fantastic performance like a Ziggler or Bryan.

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by mountaineers101 on Feb 10, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The crowd got pretty hot by the end of the match

I guess you missed it when they were chanting one more time for HHH to pedigree Nash again.

by hfl2013 on Feb 11, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, did not miss that. The fans were partially worked into a match that no one cared about initially.

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by mountaineers101 on Feb 11, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd say it was more than just partially though

And like you said, no one cared about it initially. The fact that they were able to get the crowd cheering like that is a testament to their in ring talent, at least HHH’s who clearly carried that match.

by hfl2013 on Feb 11, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Last years match was tremendous.

That match last year was awesome. They were both going all out and putting it on the line. I’m sure they had many aches and pains for a while after.

What can they do this time to top it? A rematch isn’t really getting me going to much. Have to wait and see I guess.

by LivingDedMan on Feb 10, 2012 10:20 PM EST reply actions  

I know it’s not central to your argument, but to say that MMA “had just come off being outlawed” in 2003-2004 is to oversimplify quite a bit. The UFC held five events in the U.S. in 2003.

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by Finian1 on Feb 10, 2012 10:34 PM EST reply actions  

Fair, but I had to simplify since the MMA thing isn’t central.

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by mountaineers101 on Feb 10, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Taker wants to put over a younger talent

He’ll get to twenty, then I think next year, someone young, with the talent and looks, will actually get over on him. Rumor says that Dibiase Jr was suppose to do it…

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by MMA42 on Feb 11, 2012 8:24 AM EST reply actions  

It will probably be

Someone who undertaker likes and wants to push over whoever wwe wants

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by IRodC on Feb 11, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting

DiBiase Sr brings him in (Survivor Series mystery partner) & Jr takes him out.

Part of me thinks the streak will never end. He’ll just retire at 20-0.

by TheNetsFan on Feb 14, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

On another note

This was a great article. Nice job

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by MMA42 on Feb 11, 2012 8:26 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks!

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by mountaineers101 on Feb 11, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

is it just me

or is the streak the best booked thing in wrestling? maybe wrestling history never shit on like the titles or the holders. in 20 years it has produced legacy like no other, I for one would not be mad if he keep it. ultimately taker has the right go do what he chooses

He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were

by Elstriko on Feb 11, 2012 12:02 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

sport for all the errors very

tired from a 14 hour night. mea culpa

He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were

by Elstriko on Feb 11, 2012 12:04 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

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