I, for one, welcome our new Irish overlord, Sheamus
by C. J. Bradford on Jan 30, 2012 2:00 PM EST
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As I finished watching the WWE Royal Rumble pay-per-view (PPV) last night (Sun., Jan. 29, 2012) I stared at my screen in silence. Top to bottom, it was a great show. Certainly not the best I have ever seen, but extremely entertaining nonetheless. I wish I could have watched it live to interact with all the great fans here on Cageside Seats but when I could I quickly fired up my browser with anticipation to see what everyone had said.
It seems you all weren't as impressed as I was.
Questions quickly arose about why Sheamus was victorious. What did he do to deserve it? Why wouldn't they give it to Chris Jericho or Randy Orton? How could the WWE ruin the entire show? Why, oh why must the fans suffer through such humanity?
In order: he is a hard worker who is popular, neither of them need it, they didn't, and Jesus f*cking Christ stop it.
If Jericho had won, would you still be calling this one of the worst Rumbles in history? Does the final five minutes completely ruin the previous three hours? The night was filled with great, unexpected moments.
Who expected John Cena to lose to Kane in the manner that he did? Yes, technically the match was a double count out with no winner. But Cena ended up in the middle of the ring knocked out while Kane walked away smiling. I am going to count that as a victory. The "Big Red Machine" destroyed Zack Ryder and got the better of Cena. I am sincerely looking forward to how this turns out.
CM Punk and Dolph Ziggler ended exactly how we thought it would, but it was still great to see John Laurinaitis go back and forth from trying to screw Punk to handing him the belt. I am hesitant to see how Triple H injects himself into it, but I am far less worried than I was before the Royal Rumble.
As for the Rumble itself, it had all the excitement that it usually has. Miz lasted about 40 minutes, showing that they are not completely abandoning him. All three announcers entering from their table, only to be eliminated and go back to commentating was brilliantly played. Ricardo Rodriguez entering with his beat up whip was perfect. Santino Marella and Mick Foley with their dueling socks was stupid fun. Kharma coming back and getting a legit elimination brings some hope back to the Divas division. "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan and Road Dogg getting some nostalgia pops were moments that only the Royal Rumble can bring.
Maybe it was not the best Royal Rumble in history, but I would say it definitely held its own.
It was only fitting that the night finished with the most unexpected moment of all. No one -- and I mean absolutely no one -- thought Sheamus would be pointing to the WrestleMania sign at the end of the night, having emerged victorious. It had to be Jericho. It was the only thing that made sense. He would win, feud with Punk, fight for the belt, same old story.
Yet again, he proves to be smarter than all of us.
He is not going to do what we expect. It's not a troll move, he isn't trying to get us to boo him, and he is certainly not working from the same old script. His coming back to WWE and winning the Rumble was too obvious. Even the way he fought was off script. The guy tried to submit and pin Sheamus instead of tossing him over. Jericho is working on a completely different level. He will be fine. He is going to bounce back. Hell, even if he walks away from the WWE tonight, the trip has been worth it. Enjoy this man, people. He is too good to overlook.
As for the actual winner, Sheamus, he is one of the better characters they have. He is big. He is white. He is Irish. People love him, and it's not really hard to see why. He has a million dollar smile and actually shows some personality. Anyone who sits back and complains that he is boring needs to stop for a second. He's had some of the best moments of the past few months. His face turn at Money in the Bank SummerSlam was textbook. He stood up to fight a monster, and while he lost, he went down swinging. His interaction with Beaker during the Muppets episode of Raw was one of the funniest of the night, if not the funniest. This is a man who can tell where a potato was grown just by biting into it.
Oh, I know all the knocks against him. The guy beats a bunch of mid-card jobbers and you want to complain about him winning too much? Maybe because the WWE is trying to establish that he is good. Perhaps they knew who was going to win the Rumble, and wanted to have Sheamus come in on a hot streak. Or it is possible that professional wrestling doesn't conform to some arbitrary smark reasoning of what makes a wrestler "over" or "buried?"
Sheamus is popular, he is a generally funny guy, and he is new. How can anyone complain about the WWE not having enough stars, and then dump on whomever they try to push? Yes, he had a short reign at the top before that did not go over all that well. That should not mean that he couldn't be at the top again.
Let's see what he does before trashing it, okay?
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I too welcome our new Irish overlord
I admit I would of liked Jericho to win it all but as you point out, he is on a totally different script. Sheamus has a lot of the WWE wants to promote. He gets over with the crowd as a face, he can hold his own on the mike, and he has three moves that get a reaction every time they are used. He gets the crowds on his side during matches so they care about the outcome. They don’t just want to see a good match, they want to see him win. They do need to stop the Great White stuff and just go back to him being an irish brawler.
He’s not the most interesting Rumble champ ever, but he can put on good matches and make the crowd care and invest itself in the matches he wrestles. Isn’t that the point of wrestling right now? Bring the crowds back into, get the fan base to invest in the matches so that new talent can be brought up. Sheamus may not be a hall of fame, set the world on fire champ, but his popularity and his reputation as a tough brawler can be used to promote other talent. He could not only prove to be an interesting champion, but may push a couple wrestlers up the ladder along the way.
Nice to see a positive outlook for a change but...
I think you’re reading too much into the Jericho situation, although I hope you arent… It wreaks of “smark-swerve” since Jericho winning was the foregone conclusion heading in, but c’est la vie.
I didn’t catch the undercard, but it was a fairly mediocre Rumble in my view…
Sheamus winning felt a little hollow… He’s not really involved in any major storyline to speak of… He didn’t dominate or have any really significant eliminations that really would have put him over strong, except the last one I guess. He’s pretty over, but let’s be real here… Sheamus requires a lot of rebuilding… I can’t get over how poorly the booking has handled him (and miz, punk and swagger) after winning the title, losing and just depushed to shit. I don’t get that logic.
This year’s rumble just didn’t have “it”
-The announcer entrants, while kinda funny, were useless and really devalued the entire concept of “anyone can enter” that they were trying to push.
-Maybe we’ve been spoiled the past few years with surprise legends, but this year offered nothing we haven’t seen before, and offered much less of it.
-Very bottom heavy. The first 20 entrants were duds/comedy acts so I was expecting some big guns at the end (maybe cena, kane, one of the world champs to sell the ‘anyone can enter’ stip) But no, just jericho and orton, as advertised.
-Miz and Rhodes sorta cancelled eachother out as neither came out looking stronger for their ironman performances. Just blah all around. And the worst part…
-NO storyline advancement! This rumble made no effort to set up any wrestlemania feuds whatsoever. Eliminate the comedy spots and you’ve got a serviceable TV battle royal.
That’s not to say there werent some bright spots sprinkled in…
-Kofi’s headstand spot is the best elimination evasion I’ve ever seen (better than j-mo).
-Rodriguez and santino were funny enough
-Big show looked strong, but ultimately those eliminations (and his own) should have went to Sheamus.
It wasn’t the worst rumble ever, but I think we all expected better. It was fun for a while, but it did little to build for WM and left a sour taste in a lot of fan’s mouths with Jericho not winning. It lacked the ‘magic’ of past rumbles.
6/10.
Fair points on all but
I don’t think you can assume smark swerve. It’s self masturbatory to think that the Internet controls the WWE indirectly. Maybe it was a last second change, but I cannot imagine Jericho would sign off on something like that if it affected his plans. If, theoretically, it was a decision between Orton and Sheamus, I can understand the pros can cons for both sides. The eventual winner shouldn’t devalue the match, though.
And as for his old push, everyone needs to forget it. It’s in the past, and he was an entirely different character. If they screw him again, then okay we can bitch. But we should wait if/when it happens.
Finally, Miz and Rhodes cancelled each other out? How do you figure? They both looked amazing in there. I’m not sure how two great performances make one bad one.
So go forth, my brethren, and proceed to mark the f*ck out
by C. J. Bradford on Jan 30, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
self masturbatory? oxymoronic but ha! thats funny
Yea I duno about the jericho thing…I guess we’ll see where it goes, but we can’t just assume that Jericho is always ahead of the game. He’s susceptible to politics and stupid booking decisions just as much as anyone else.
While Miz and Rhodes were in there a long time, they did nothing of note. The iron men of the past usually had an angle within the rumble itself, while last night they were just ‘there’. Nothing memorable or significant in any way. By cancelling themselves out, I mean that booking would have probably been better served to let one of them stay for a long time and highlight the other in a different way. By having both of them basically in there for the same time, it lessens the effect. And again, no storylines created heading into WM, something both of them could have used.
i’m pretty sure that “self masturbatory” is redundant rather than oxymoronic
by Finian1 on Jan 30, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sheamus winning is fine. As you said, WWE needs to push different guys anyway, and Orton and Jericho are main event guys with or without a Rumble win.
But I paid good money to see what Jericho meant by “end of the world” and they gave me absolutely nothing for that investment. Not even a hint of anything related to that. Even if Jericho won, instead of Sheamus, I would have been equally disappointed because they teased something major would go down. Nothing major went down. If Jericho left right now, I see his return as a huge waste of time and totally not worth it. There needs to be a payoff, and soon. Jericho has delivered nothing meaningful so far.
And Sheamus has been terribly boring for months now. He has no storyline. This Rumble win would have been more well-received if Sheamus was actually involved in any interesting storylines of late, but he hasn’t been. That’s not a knock on Sheamus, it’s a knock on creative and VInce Sheamus wasn’t even booked to appear on the September and December PPV’s last year, and in both cases was thrown into an impromptu match or segment that was announced during the show. And now we are supposed to buy him as a guy who could be a featured star at Mania? I don’t see any long-term planning in that.
I have a reply to Jericho in my precap
And I do agree about Sheamus’ storyline. I didn’t mean that he was the best guy to win. But hopefully this Rumble victory pushes him into something good.
So go forth, my brethren, and proceed to mark the f*ck out
by C. J. Bradford on Jan 30, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
This sentence had me rolling.
Sheamus, he is one of the better characters they have. He is big. He is white. He is Irish. People love him, and it’s not really hard to see why.
That’s what they should tell prospects on the indie scene trying to break into WWE. “You wanna get over? You gotta big big, white and Irish. Fans will love you.”
Sheamus is one of the worst characters WWE has right now. He’s just not interesting.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Haha, you know, “The Big White Irish” would be a better moniker than “The Great White.”
Also, how about some new Sheamus T-Shirts with the words:
Big
White
Irish
You Love Me
I would buy that shirt
So go forth, my brethren, and proceed to mark the f*ck out
by C. J. Bradford on Jan 30, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, indies should do that
The WWE is a compleatly different beast, and sometimes a character needs to be simplified. Sometimes narrowing the scope ruins a character. Wrestlers need to be prepared to adopt the to E’s style without losing too much. Daniel is small and a dick. Ryder is a Guido and chases after Eve and Cena. Punk hates authority. Cena never gives up. Et cetera et cetera.
And how is Sheamus the worst? He is a fun guy who beats the crap out of people. Everyone at the top does not need deep personal motivation. I’m not saying he is the greatest. I’m saying he fits in the main event scene and the fans love him.
So go forth, my brethren, and proceed to mark the f*ck out
by C. J. Bradford on Jan 30, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
The dude's best matches are still those ones he had with Goldust on ECW.
That’s a problem. I love brawlers. Sheamus is a mediocre one.
hating on sheamus and barrett
Let me guess, youre a drew mcyntire fan?
by hfl2013 on Jan 30, 2012 3:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he's got potential
but considering how they’re burying him, I have no feelings either way.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
I don't like him. I think he's bland as hell.
His moves are average, his mic work is average…he’s an average wrestler with a fairly tired gimmick.
I don’t like him. Nothing about him jumps out at me or makes me go “oh, check him out”.
Sorry, man. If you like him…more power to you. But he doesn’t do it for me.
His moves are mostly average
because you’re been watching him recently in short matches where he dominates a midcarder/jobber. He’s got more tricks up his sleeve that you don’t usually see in those matches. Plus, he moves extremely well for a guy his size. Its not often you see a 6’7 muscular guy like that who is able to regularly go to the top ropes.
If you don’t like his gimmick, that’s your opinion and I don’t expect to change it. Just wondering though, are you not a fan of the Irish relative stories? I love hearing about his crazy old uncle or 1 eyed grandpa.
Not a fan of those and I find them to be kind of offensive.
And I’ve seen him do his thing live…still not that impressive. So…yeah.
He actully got a decent feud out of John Morrison, which gives Shameus HUGE points in my book.
Not to mention keeping up with Daniel Bryan and Christian; I really don’t see any negatives with this guy in or out of the ring.
No one in the WWE is a good talker right now, because creative can’t write for shit, but Shameus knows how to deliver his lines and get a reaction out of the crowd. That’s stupendous work (as long as you don’t actively listen to what these guys are saying). It would be nice if his finisher wasn’t just a kick to the face, but ’s got more than 4 moves and can improvise to match up better with his opponent.
With guys like Shameus and Dolph Ziggler you got to raise the stakes and see how they react; you can’t just feed them to midcarders like Jinder Mahal and Zach Ryder and see if they can spin gold out of straw.
Well he does do the Razors Edge as well as a finisher
so there is that and the Brogue Kick does have an element of surprise because he can break it out at any moment.
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I just think Sheamus kinda blows.
I mean, I guess he’s inoffensive, and he IS over somehow. But geez, he is a culprit of doing stupid moves that make no sense (shoulderbreaker onto steel steps – how does that hurt more?) and his mic skills are less bad than they are simply non-existenet.
He does have a unique look, I’ll give him that, but otherwise he is the epitome of the bland, inoffensive yet incredibly dull WWE worker that the company has been churning out lately.
If you don't like Shameus, then you don't like the WWE
If you haven’t noticed, EVERYONE runs into the steps; that’s how the WWE wants their wrestlers to wrestle like. He fits the mold of what the WWE wants in a wrestler (so don’t be surprised when they reward him), but it’s not like he fights the same way against Christian as he does against Mark Henry.
If he had a few matches on free television that lasted more than 5 minutes, I think more people could see that.
by J.L. White on Feb 1, 2012 4:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sheamus is kind of crappy
He really has no motivation for anything, that I can figure out. Not that he needs one, but…
I would posit that the same thing said about Orton and Jericho can be applied to Sheamus as well- at any point could he be inserted back in the main-event scene without much rhyme or reason, and that he doesn’t need a Royal Rumble win to validate it. We know he’s friends with HHH and other high-level political types in the back room. He’s over with the fans. He’s a former champion and former main event guy- beat John Cena a couple of times at important events. He’s been in the mid-card for a while now, but all he has done is kick other peoples’ asses- seemingly, he was only there because they couldn’t figure out anything better for him, or were angry at him for something, maybe- so it’s not like it made him look any worse. A Royal Rumble push does help him get back there, no doubt, but just nitpicking on that point.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 30, 2012 2:43 PM EST reply actions
I understand the point
I was focusing more on in relation to Jericho and Orton, Sheamus needed it the most. the WWE wants him back in the main event, and this was the quickest way to do it.
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by C. J. Bradford on Jan 30, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is, I expect steak but I only get porkchop, that I paid $50 for.
And then I have to rationalize it and convince myself to like it because Vince thinks it’s cool. Nah, it’s not what I want, period. Porkchop to a steak is a bad surprise and it’s NOT what I want.
Well, it’s Vince’s business, money and investment, so that’s solely up to him, not us or anybody else. It is what it is.
by Sir Ingenious on Jan 30, 2012 2:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
And with this above, should I be worried about not getting what we want for Wretlemania?
Nope, not at all. I have options elsewhere: sports, TV shows, activities, etc. If Vince and co. wants to head in a direction that I don’t want to go, then I part ways and monkey-branch to another option. No hard feelings at all.
by Sir Ingenious on Jan 30, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
What would you want for WM?
The focus is on Cena/Rock. Punk will (most likely) still have the WWE title, and Daniel will be in the WHC picture. I think they have all their bases covered with that lineup
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by C. J. Bradford on Jan 30, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I just want to be entertained.
And if I’m not, then see ya. Think of having options as to plate spinning. One of your plates wobbles, falls and then breaks, you have other available plates that’s already in motion and you just put a new one on. No biggie.
The thing is, the internet fans are folks who lingered around for something (WWE/TNA wrestling) far too long, placing too big of an value and investment on something that they get very little in return, while giving in way too much to Vince and Dixie ($$$). The guys who left a long time ago for UFC are the ones who’ve learned this very quickly and are with options.
by Sir Ingenious on Jan 30, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
That's a fair point
I am entertained with what is going on, so I’m sticking around. If you don’t like it, it’s better to leave. I agree 100%
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by C. J. Bradford on Jan 30, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed and it doesn't make sense to be burned twice.
1) Invest in something, 2) Getting no return for it, 3) Rage, 4) Rationalize it, 5) Redo steps 1, 2, 3, and 4. To me, it just doesn’t make sense. I stop at step 2 and walk away.
Don’t get me wrong, I love wrestling very much but I haven’t gotten anything in return from it for a long time now. So, I walked. But of course, I glance at wrestling on tv and websites to see where it’s at every now and then but that’s it.
I suspect this is why internet fans have a bad rep. They haven’t learned this lesson yet.
by Sir Ingenious on Jan 30, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I like this analogy.
There’s this weird sort of mentality in the pro wrestling world amongst fans that you can’t complain about the shit sandwich you’re being served because, hey, you never know, maybe the shit is actually salmon, find out before you complain. Except you know shit when you see shit and that’s all there is to it.
The flip side is that one man’s shit is another man’s salmon. I just don’t like the idea that some folks think we should be okay with whatever Vince and company give us because that’s just how it is. You don’t ever have to accept crap, no matter who calls you a smark or a negative Nancy for calling it out.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
for the most part i was ok. on raw explain sheamus, give him a feud
Also the Cena v Kane match dragged so badly that that fans cheered the heels and booed the faces. This crap is going to blow up in Vince’s face and he could lose all of Cena’s appeal with the masses
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I loved that the crowd handled it the way they did
We focus too much on face/heel reaction. Cena is already a heel. Lets just call him one and everything makes more sense
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by C. J. Bradford on Jan 30, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Cena never breaks the rules. He’s completely selfless, to the point of sacrificing his world title shot so a friend can get a midcard title shot. He even stopped Vince and Ace from screwing over Punk at MITB right at the tail-end of an exhausting match that he went on to lose seconds later because of these selfless actions. He is about as morally sound a character that there can be. He never tells the fans that boo him to go fuck off. He never pretends to be better than the fans. He never cheats in his matches. He would rather be fired than do the dirty work of a foe because he is an honorable man.
Can a heel behave like this? I don’t think so.
It is, though
You have to move beyond stereotypes. He is so good, but he got Ryder killed. All he wants is to do the right thing, but it constantly backfires. Punk cheats and attacks the boss. He is loved. Orton kicks people in the dome. He is loved. Even the bad guys like Ziggler and Daniel are loved by the fans. Cena is something else entirely. If we look at it as black and white, yes there are a lot of inconsistencies. If we add a little more color, though, Cena’s actions and reception make sense.
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by C. J. Bradford on Jan 30, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
The stuff you are saying is true but it doesn’t make Cena a heel. Even mega babyface 80’s Hulk Hogan would rake people in the eyes and take advantage of ref distractions if they came up. I think Cena is as purely good a character as there has ever been. The fans can cheer and boo whoever they like, but ultimately it’s the wrestlers own actions that determine whether they are a “good guy” or a “bad guy.”
Straight Edge Punk on ECW was a good guy because he had a positive message but never used it to say he was better than the fans or push his own agenda at the expense of others. But then when he became the Straight Edge Savior in 2009 he was basically preaching a good message about Jeff Hardy’s lifestyle but Punk was now a heel because he did it in a holier-than-thou way and blatantly used and misled others to get ahead. But he still got tons of cheers in that heel role, check out his Royal Rumble appearance in 2010 for one example of this. Those cheers didn’t mean he was a face. he was still a heel. His actions and motivations were much different from his initial face portrayal in ECW.
Obviously there are all sorts of levels of depth that a heel or face can be portrayed as, what I’m saying is that Cena is an extreme good guy like there has never been before. He always does the right thing. He didn’t intend for Ryder to get killed. And he feels horrible that it happened. That’s not a heel.
Cena always does the right moral thing. And that’s probably part of the reason why older people boo him. Those boos don’t at all make him a heel because Cena’s actions are not heel-like in any way whatsoever. He’s a super good guy who happens to get boos from male fans over a certain age.
I'll back up a little
I don’t mean to say heel in the traditional sense. I agree with all your points. If we look at heel/face as a line, then yes he is super face. I tend to view things as a 3d spectrum, though. He has gone so far face then he moved into a heel role. The crowd boos him, people want to see him get his ass kicked, he transfers heat to his opponent so they are seen as face, etc. In any other match, Kane would either be a heel, or worse get no reaction. But he got cheered by St. Louis. I think we have to distance motivation and reaction. He does not get XPac heat. People love the Cena Sucks chant. Fans love to hate him. I know I am not doing the best job explaining this, but it makes sense in my head. If we look at the WWE as a place were bad people are cheered, and you have to be worse than bad to be booed, Cena is in a whole nother plane.
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by C. J. Bradford on Jan 30, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
However you want to explain it he still isn't interesting
Which is really all I care about. His character in its current form is stale, boring, and has no appeal to anyone older than 13.
Whether it’s turning heel, or being less Cena-like something needs to change. Not for a different crowd reaction, but so he’s interesting again. Anything different at this point would be welcome from a “let me just see something new” point of view.
I don’t care that he’s so face he’s a heel if everything is still the exact same character wise. When he was smashing Swagger down with total reckless abandon I was actually entertained. I could totally get excited to watch that Cena on a weekly basis. If you wanted to change it back to goody-goody Cena in a couple of months whatever, at least he would be entertaining for a couple of months.
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when he smashed swagger it was no longer saint Cena, but a glimmer of the old thug life Cena.
It was that glimmer that had us hoping for a change in character, but we are getting more of the same. One can only hope he is being so good that in it of itself is a heel turn ala Bret Hart who decried all the bad and wants us to love the good
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I will lose my shit if he ever enters to that song again
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by C. J. Bradford on Jan 30, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I've actually been watching some old Cena matches from back then
It’s so refreshing to see Cena in a different character. His promos are much much better and you can enjoy his work in the ring so much more.
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This x1000
He was so great. A little green, but it worked for him. Just young and angry.
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by C. J. Bradford on Jan 30, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
He obviouslt doesn't need to go back to being a bad rapper
but becoming an arrogant heel who’s pissed off at being disrespected by the fans for all his years of busting ass would be so awesome. Especially facing the Rock, who’s face by default, the promo’s basically write themselves.
Then he doesn’t have to embarrass himself pandering to the audience every time he speaks on mic.
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I just want him to have an edge again
because he’s really a shell of what made him so popular in the first place
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"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 30, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Word Life!
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Basic thuganomics
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
by WVPiratesfan on Jan 30, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty much
The current Cena is some sort of weird amalgamation of a rapper, soldier, and I don’t know what else. That’s what brings him down, so to speak.
"Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!" Gil Hodges IS a Hall of Famer.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 30, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough. It sounds like we aren’t really disagreeing on much here, I was just getting caught up on some semantics surrounding the “heel” word.
I hope that Cena does finally need to resort to heel tactics to defeat Rock at Mania. The boos will be insanely loud that day.
Exactly
Glad we cleared that up. And I agree. It would be awesome
I'm big, I'm white, I'm Irish, and G*d damnit people like me!
by C. J. Bradford on Jan 30, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I like Irish gingers.
I like them a lot.
But I like INTERESTING Irish gingers.
He’s not interesting. He’s more bland than week old Bud Light.
p.s. – WWE, please get an female Irish ginger Diva. Thank you.
He's not a girl, however.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 30, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
Sanity
The first post of sanity on this website. Just seems like all the smarks wanted the Jericho win because that would fit in perfectly with their fantasy of Punk-Jericho. It would have been far too obvious and WWE shocked us all. Absolutely nobody expected and the ripples its sent through the IWC speaks volumes.
The night was OK overall, certainly not as awful as some make out. Just seems certain people have an agenda against the stereotypical “super-face” e.g. Cena, Sheamus, Orton
Erm hello welcome to modern wrestling.
Thank you!
I try to have a different voice then what is here on Cageside. I love Geno and all the commentators, I just feel like there is a void that I want to fill.
I'm big, I'm white, I'm Irish, and G*d damnit people like me!
by C. J. Bradford on Jan 30, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I happen to like Sheamus. He is big, tough, and aggressive. That’s his character. “Big, tough, aggressive guy who wants to win the title” is a more than adequate gimmick.
Someone brought up his bit with Beaker, and I think that couple of minutes summarizes the appeal of Sheamus as a face — he’s the big brother/cousin/buddy everyone wishes they had. Big confident guy, easy to get along with unless you mess with his friends or family, in which case he will clobber the shit out of you. I actually know a guy like this, an acquaintance who is a professional bouncer. He is very mild-mannered, and humongous, and I have no doubt that he could break some dude in two if he wanted. That’s Sheamus.
The one good thing to come out of the Core was Barrett's music
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 30, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn't the worst PPV ever, it just was what it was.
Not great, not bad, but not what you should feel walking away from the Rumble.
I don’t mind Sheamus winning really, I just don’t care for the guy. He does nothing for me, I don’t have him, I just walk out of the room or fast forward anytime he’s on my TV. Which is the opposite reaction someone trying to be a main event player should invoke.
I loved the comedy bits in the Rumble, but unfortunately those were the best parts. I loved Booker being part of the Rumble, but King I could do without, and Cole had no business in there. Ricardo coming out as a broke ass version of Del Rio was probably the best part of the whole PPV, I had a hardy laugh for almost his entire time in the ring!
I liked the actual match Punk and Ziggler put together, but I felt like they did a horrible job booking Ziggler to look ridiculously weak. Getting beaten 4 times in one match because Lauranitis wouldn’t do his job made him look like he didn’t even belong in the ring with Punk. You could’ve booked him to lose, yet still look strong and poised for an eventual title reign. This didn’t do that.
The WHC match was just bad. OK it wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t good. That’s really all because of Henry’s injuries, but still it was a short match that didn’t make anyone look particularly strong. I almost wonder if it was suppose to go longer but Show just dropped Bryan.
I actually liked Kane going over Cena in the way he did, but deep down I know this will just lead to another PPV match in which Super Cena shows up and crushes Kane. Which will ruin any point of this match not being that match.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
C+ show overall for me.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
I’m starting to think that they are purposely booking Cena in a feud like this to minimize his in-ring time and minimize the chance that he gets hurt before the big money match at Mania. Maybe that’s why Kane is always smothering him with his glove, since it is safe. Cena’s issue with Kane will likely keep Cena away from the dangerous Elimination Chamber match as well.
Yeah anything he does from now until Mania is just busy work
But it just makes it all kind of hollow for me. We know that no matter what happens between now and then it will be as if nothing happened. Nothing will change in his character, no match or promo battles he has will impact a single thing. It just filler that feel like filler at the time your watching it.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
Doesn’t bother me that much that sheamus won but the fact that he has no storyline at all and I got months of Jericho is going to change everything storyline only to get nothing in return does. How about giving multiple guys storylines heading into the ppv so that you actually have something to build on for the guy who wins instead of hotshoting to a guy who has just been coasting for months as a swerve? Just because I know it’s scripted doesn’t mean you can call lazy storytelling a swerve and make me think it’s something exciting. You still have to tell me a good storyline.
by who me on Jan 30, 2012 6:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don't like Sheamus because of how much he's being force fed ....
White(er) John cena
"Where Yo Curleh Mustache at!?"
How is he John Cena
he and John Cena have nothing in common, other than they are Faces.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl
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