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WWE Raw results and reactions from last night (Jan. 23): Ready for the Royal Rumble

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WWE Monday Night Raw last night (Jan. 23, 2012) emanated from Phoenix, Arizona, and featured Chris Jericho speaking his first words on the mic, CM Punk giving John Laurinaitis the GTS and Zack Ryder breaking his back.

If you want full results from Raw last night, click here for the running live blog. Time to get to reactions from the show:

  • Chris Jericho will be getting a post of his own but I think it's worth noting that his one line promo last night did more to sell the Royal Rumble pay-per-view than anything anyone else has done in the last month. I was disappointed he talked, at least at first, but quickly realized how amazing it was that those were the words he chose when he did finally speak. Perfect executed once again.
  • After thinking on it, I can't see why the decision was made to have CM Punk give John Laurinaitis a GTS to close the show last night. If the goal was to have this moment be as big as it was when Stone Cold Steve Austin first gave Vince McMahon a Stunner -- and you would be dense to think it wasn't -- then the timing here was awful. The match between Punk and Dolph Ziggler at the Rumble has little to do with Ziggler and centers almost solely around whether or not Laurinaitis is going to screw Punk. the way the story has been crafted, they payoff to the build should have been for Punk to finally beat the hell out of Laurinaitis. So why would you do that on the Raw show before the pay-per-view instead of at the show where the payoff is supposed to happen? It created the photo of the year, sure, but it was the wrong time to make this move. It can be explained away partially by the fact that they announced Triple H's return next week to "review" Laurinaitis and evaluate him in his job, therefore taking away any incentive he has to screw Punk. The only way to give him incentive again is to have Punk put him to sleep. So they made a bad booking decision but the explanation for it is decent enough. Still, this left a bad taste.
  • I love Dolph Ziggler but he's not a main event player and this feud with Punk hasn't elevated him at all. That's too bad, really, because he's probably the most talented guy on the roster. If he was booked correctly, there's no telling what he could do.
  • We now know Triple H will return on next week's episode of Raw to give Laurinaitis his review. What makes this interesting is how they'll decide to book Triple H's character. Because all signs point to another match against Undertaker at WrestleMania 28, he's likely going to be a heel. Having him come in and fire Laurinaitis would instantly make him a babyface, though he could get some of his heat back just by challenging 'Taker to a match to put his streak on the line. But Trips being who he is, I can't imagine they'll compromise that. Plus, Laurinaitis has been outstanding in his role and has just lately started getting some real heat, due in large part to his program with Punk. It would be a shame -- and a bad business decision -- to end that now.
  • Poor Zack Ryder. First he's made to job to Jack Swagger and drop the U.S. championship he worked so hard to get. And that hard work was very real. He busted his ass to get as popular as he has and worked as hard as anybody to deserve to be in position to even win a small-time strap like the U.S. title. But now he's saddled in a goofy program where he's constantly made to look like shit so they can get John Cena's storyline advanced. Someone had to be the lesser guy in this story and it just so happens Ryder was chosen for the job. What's worse for Ryder, he's lost almost all the credibility he gained with the Internet audience he cultivated to get him where he is just by his close association with Cena. Now he's been written off TV in one of the most horribly executed matches/segments in recent memory.

Thoughts on the rest of the show after the jump.

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  • Let's briefly touch on that pathetic waste of time last night, which was actually given a prime slot bleeding into the 10 p.m. ET hour. For starters, why is Ryder being written off TV? If he's not gone for at least a few weeks than telling us he broke his back will have been one of the dumbest things WWE has done since they hired Michael Cole. If he makes a ridiculously fast return and miracle recovery -- think Triple H no selling death -- the storyline becomes an even bigger joke and invalidates Kane as the monster they so want him to be. Speaking of which, why did he literally run through the crowd to avoid a confrontation with John Cena? That's your monster? That's pathetic. This is all without mentioning the fact that Eve's acting is about as good as her wrestling and Cena has regressed as far as his facial expressions go. His angry face into the camera to close the segment was a fitting end to some of the worst TV I've been exposed to in quite some time. I'm looking forward to seeing which of you attempt to defend this garbage. The gimmicked stage wasn't even done right. The whole thing was atrocious. I can't wait for Cena to squash Kane at the pay-per-view so 1) we'll be done with this nonsense and 2) they will have sacrificed Ryder's big push for nothing.
  • Dear WWE: If something is working just fine and getting over as is, DON'T MESS WITH IT! There was no single segment on this show I was looking forward to more than Brodus Clay and they damn near ruined his character in one night. I'll explain in a later post when you get your weekly dose of The Funkasaurus.
  • One thing I'll say about this show that was really good was that they didn't even bother to trot out the Divas. Instead of wasting our time with women pretending to work a match, they made us watch actors do a stretcher job on Ryder. The sad part is I can't decide which is worse.
  • Wade Barrett did well on commentary and made me see why some might enjoy him in some capacity. Kind of. A little bit. About a half cup. Sheamus still sucks and is terribly uninteresting and Jinder Mahal still has potential but will always be held back by the color of his skin thanks to the company he works for.
  • Why did it take until the go-home show for a Royal Rumble stipulation match to happen? The promotion for the actual Rumble match this year has been downright criminal. They've literally done nothing to make anyone want to watch it, instead relying on the fact that it's such a legendary match on its own merits, fans will pay for it no matter what. Still, it's far preferable to see matches like the one between R-Truth and The Miz in which the loser would be forced to enter the Rumble at the dreaded number one spot. Miz will be that guy and I can't imagine him eliminating a bunch of people, so we could be looking at Rumble booking this year dictated by letting a lot of people get in the match and be in at one time. I would still like to see a Rumble match that features all 30 superstars in the ring at the same time with no eliminations happening until all 30 are in. Pipe dream, I know, but something I would like to see some day.
  • Final thought: I panned the Truth vs. Miz match last night because the finish came out of nowhere, so much so that the commentators weren't ready for it at all. X-Pac brought up a great point on Twitter when he said it's entirely possibl -- likely, even -- that the referee told them they were running short on time and to "go home quickly." So they improvised and ended the match as fast as they could. Indeed, the main event didn't go on until the 11 p.m. ET hour. Just an interesting point.

From an entertainment standpoint, this show had its good. The booking once again left a lot to be desired and I would like the head of whoever decided to mess with Brodus Clay's character but I'll give the show a C- for effort. Most of that is Chris Jericho, though.

That's enough from me, Cagesiders. Time for you to sound off with all your thoughts on the show in the comments section below. And don't hold back. I never do.

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Wow..

No comment of the night? You must have been upset.

I for one, am glad that Kane killed off Ryder.. I wasn’t a fan, and I think WWe gave him a chance, and he flopped.. some on his own. The crowd sounded like it was piped in all night. It musta been freezing in there for them to sit on their hands for 2+ hours.

I think the Punk & JL feud leads to Taker coming back. Punk sticking up for HHH is brown nose of the year, which clearly means that HHH won’t fire JL, but embrace him, it fits in with this whole Punk won’t get screwed, but will. Maybe the HHH fax was a hoax, more mind games?… but Taker wouldn’t come to rescue Punk.. so the picture isn’t very clear yet. I’m certain that where ever HHH injects himself at, Taker won’t be far behind.

No Santino, no divas.. this was a pretty good show.

Everyone seems to think that people get pushed to become champs, when in fact, everyone is pushed for business… and that push will always end & be for someone else’s push. I think Sheamus is that guy.. they pushed him so much but had nothing for him, so he’s going to be the guy that gets used as a step stone for the next guy. A lot of the guys 2 yrs ago that were young got pushed hard.. and all have plateaued.. all but Punk. Sheamus, Swagger, Christian, and others were given a chance w/ the ball at various times.. each time they didn’t live up to expectations.. now stuck in mid card hell. Not sure why WWe does such ass backwards things… such as Daniel Bryan.. history states that not long after his run, he’ll be on the back burner.. like Miz. Punk was on his way down, but fought it with better ideas. That’s how we get so many Orton & Cena title runs.. these young guys are pushed too soon & can’t handle it… so they run back to the reliable. None of the others are taken seriously because they have been trained how the champs are supposed to act unstoppable.

Suum Cuique

by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 24, 2012 8:30 AM EST reply actions  

I figured it'd either be you or hfl2013 defending this abomination of a show.
I for one, am glad that Kane killed off Ryder.. I wasn’t a fan, and I think WWe gave him a chance, and he flopped.. some on his own.

If WWE was giving Ryder anything close to a chance, they wouldn’t have had him take 10 minutes to change a tire, and have the guy job to Jack Swagger not even a month into his title reign.

A lot of the guys 2 yrs ago that were young got pushed hard.. and all have plateaued.. all but Punk. Sheamus, Swagger, Christian, and others were given a chance w/ the ball at various times.. each time they didn’t live up to expectations..

Pushed hard? Jesus H., WWE never pushed any of those guys hard, they never pushed any of those guys at all. Pushes need to be steady and consistent, not “we’ll give this goober three weeks and a PPV’s worth of victories before making him look like a bigger dork than Andre from the League.” Not one of those motherfuckers ever plateued or dropped the ball, WWE actively went out of their way to kill their heat.

And would you.. please stop.. with those unnecessary.. incorrectly written.. ellipses.. you look like.. the world’s biggest.. jackass.. writing those things..

by *Asterisk* on Jan 24, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

of those guys the only one that got a steady push at the top was Sheamus

and that’s because he’s buddies with HHH

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl

by WVPiratesfan on Jan 24, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Even in that case, Sheamus' heat was immediately annihilated during and after his second WWE title reign.

It got so bad they actually had him lose clean to Mark Henry, the Great Khali, and Evan Bourne, and gave him the King Sheamus gimmick and the U.S. title as consecutive punishments.

It was like that episode of the League where they filmed a porno in André’s apartment even though they already forced him to dress like a 16th century minstrel and prance around playing the flute in front of people for six months, except it happened to a real person, and that real person wasn’t a dork to begin with.

by *Asterisk* on Jan 24, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Part of the reason he fell from grace

was reportedly because of his attitude backstage after he won the championship. The same story with Swagger IIRC. But if they got huge ego’s after a quick rise and it was getting to be that bad, I can see why they got de-pushed in that way. Its the way that pro wrestling works.

by hfl2013 on Jan 24, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I can see that

Need to put a guy back in his place, but now he’s just stuck in Mid-Card hell feuding with Jinder Mahal. Jinder has some talent, but needs some work.

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl

by WVPiratesfan on Jan 24, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Well the good news for Sheamus

is that he’s still over as a face. He can really be put into the Main Event picture at any point and he’ll fit right in. Right now though, you have Daniel Bryan, Mark Henry, and maybe Big Show and Orton in the immediate title picture. Might as well use Sheamus to elevate a guy like Jinder Mahal and also be in a sort of side-program with Wade Barrett until that gets sorted out.

by hfl2013 on Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Great point!

Suum Cuique

by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 24, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

WWE's Midcard Hell is such that...

they could produce an “Escape from New York” like movie about it. It should star Dolph Ziggler consider his resemblance to Snake Plissken (c’mon Hollywood ) and his situation.

Off the top of my head. The last decade’s escapee’s are: Brock Lesnar, John Cena, Randy Orton, Edge, Batista.

Punk is climbing the wall. A few others are stuck on the bridge but most of them are staying in the city.

by Mr. Sunny Days on Jan 24, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Jinder has talent & needs work.. so why not have a guy you value in the company help him out. That’s a really smart plan. At this point neither is doing anything, a win or loss means nothing, so they can work matches. I wouldn’t say Randy was getting de-pushed after all the work he did lately getting guys over. That’s the roll of vets.. if they aren’t in a title program, then they should be helping to elevate other guys. We don’t know what happened with Sheamus.. maybe he’s acting like Asterisk back stage & needed a punch in the mouth so the bitch knows his place?

Suum Cuique

by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 24, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

It seems you really have a hard on for this Andre person & his league. Why don’t you troll on over to one of their sites.

Suum Cuique

by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 24, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Its in response to Asterisk.

Suum Cuique

by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 24, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no clue about it.

Suum Cuique

by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You should check it out

Its on FX (season ended now though) and its great.

by hfl2013 on Jan 24, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I will read about it… thanks for the heads up.

I’m up to season 3 of CSI NY. I’m learning that all the crimes are nearly identical. Its not nearly as good as the original.

Suum Cuique

by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 24, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Would.. you.. please.. shut.. the.. fuck.. up. If.. you don’t want to read what I write, then get the fuck on.

Would.. you.. please.. shut.. the.. fuck.. up. If.. you don’t want to read what I write, then get the fuck on.All those guys held the world titles.. are you saying that holding the highest belt in the company isn’t a push you stupid fuck?

Would.. you.. please.. shut.. the.. fuck.. up. If.. you don’t want to read what I write, then get the fuck on.All those guys held the world titles.. are you saying that holding the highest belt in the company isn’t a push you stupid fuck?I didn’t ask you to roll up in here & troll on me. You want to talk about stuff, fine, you don’t like they way I write, fine.. you want to start calling me names.. not fine you POS.

Suum Cuique

by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 24, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm.. not sure why it did this again w/ the repeating, oh well. Maybe the repetition will help make my point stick.

Suum Cuique

by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 24, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

All those guys held the world titles.. are you saying that holding the highest belt in the company isn’t a push you stupid fuck?

Holding a meaningless prop while never actually winning a match of your own wits or abilities isn’t a push, it’s place holding.

And your writing is awful, probably the worst on this site. This very post alone was the equivalent of smearing your face with shit to make an ironic statement, you still made it look like ass. The very least you could do with your unnecessary ellipses is to actually… write… them… correctly….

by *Asterisk* on Jan 24, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

So you’re the internet writing police. I’m guessing you just learned about ellipses in your high school LD English class.

So when did the World Titles become meaningless props? Who decided that, you?

And you talk like you know all about wiping shit one one’s face. I’m guessing your mom couldn’t stand the way you looked about as much as I cannot stand the way you speak to your intellectual superiors on here… which could be any grade school drop out.

Maybe you don’t understand that wrestling is scripted.. the winners & losers. So winning a match on their own wits? That’s pretty subjective and is a big assumption. I would spend a while to explain this, but let’s be honest… its all way over your head. You won’t understand any of it.

I guess you would consider Iron Sheik holding a worthless prop?

Suum Cuique

by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 24, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

So when did the World Titles become meaningless props? Who decided that, you?

WWE decided it by booking most of the people who held the WWE title to have either short, meaningless reigns, or booking the wrestlers themselves to be total losers while they were holding the title. Look at guys like Sheamus, the Miz, and Alberto Del Rio: all of whom never actually won a real match against an even semi-credible opponent of their own abilities on PPV to either acquire or retain the title. Del Rio scored one victory against Mysterio on TV, and Miz scored one against John Morrison, but in the case of both those matches, it wasn’t about making Miz or Del Rio look good, it was about making Morrison and Mysterio look like shit.

Maybe you don’t understand that wrestling is scripted.. the winners & losers. So winning a match on their own wits? That’s pretty subjective and is a big assumption,

Jesus Christ, how is it you couldn’t detect I was speaking in kayfabe terms.

I don’t expect the heels to win clean all the time, nor do I want them to, but I do want them to use their own wits to take advantage of their opponent and score victories. Like that Randy Orton match against HBK from Survivor Series ’07.

I guess you would consider Iron Sheik holding a worthless prop?

The WWF title was actually important in the 80’s, so no.

by *Asterisk* on Jan 24, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn’t Del Rio have a pretty big win in a HitC match?

Suum Cuique

by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 25, 2012 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, often crappy title reigns are given just one credible victory over one credible opponent.

Del Rio had that for his second title reign as well as his first, but the problem with it was that it was his second title reign. Cena beating him a month after his first title reign’s non-victory completely killed whatever heat Del Rio had, so by the time he won his second one, he wasn’t over at all.

Not to mention, after that match, he never attained another credible victory over anybody but total jobbers. It took the incidental interfeerence of two men before he could put down Cena in their next match, then CM Punk swiftly beat him in around 15 minutes via submission at Survivor Series.

by *Asterisk* on Jan 25, 2012 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

If you think Zack Ryder flopped, I'd like to know what planet you're watching from

For months now, he’s gotten the second or third biggest pop, behind CM Punk. He’s been one of the best selling merchant guys, behind Punk and Cena, for around the same amount of time.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 24, 2012 12:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I say he flopped, he didn’t do anything to get me over for him. Its the finisher, I just can’t buy it. But you are right in all that you say.

Suum Cuique

by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 24, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Seeing Cena's face

It really makes the Johnny Ace G2S face even better. Any other night, the Cena face would have been the face of the night. But not when Mr. Excitement is around.

The 984 Has Spoken!

by The984 on Jan 24, 2012 9:06 AM EST reply actions  

I generally am happier with the Raws than most here

but that was an awful episode. I seriously hate seeing 20 minutes of someone getting carted off. At least the terrible Nash-HHH angle had the terrible payoff of a second sledgehammer shot. But yeah, this was nothing but Eve “acting” horrified and Cena having poopy face (which I can’t stop cracking up on). There are so many good things going on on Raw and Smackdown and they had to prevent any of that from getting screen time just so we could spend more time watching a guy get carted off. Just terrible. The good thing about this is that Zack Ryder gets to be done with this Cena/Kane angle for good now (hopefully) and when he comes back, he can quickly go back to being Long Island Ice Z challenging Swagger for his US championship.

Also, I wish the GTS didn’t happen too. I see why they did it and it doesn’t mean that their feud is screwed up, but the slow build was working and last night was just too forced/rushed in an attempt to build on the greatness of last week’s promos between the 2.

Ziggler will make sure he’s remembered with his performance at the RR. Anyone else and its no guarantee that they can come out of this looking good still, but a PPV match between Ziggler and Punk will be money regardless of the finish (and Johnny Ace will somehow be involved in it).

by hfl2013 on Jan 24, 2012 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

I thought Cena was getting ready to throw up

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"Clemson should've stopped turning the ball over" Dana Holgorsen when asked about running up the score in the Orange Bowl

by WVPiratesfan on Jan 24, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I was pretty sure that he was focusing really hard to make sure he didn’t ruin everything with another loogie.

by davidhamilton83 on Jan 24, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

If they are repackaging him

I hope that he was part of that call. He has been working on Z True LI story for almost a year now. If the WWE takes that commitment and trashes it without Ryder’s input, he needs to leave. It’s criminal to undercut one of the hardest workers (in terms of character development) on a dumb plotline

So go forth, my brethren, and proceed to mark the f*ck out

by C. J. Bradford on Jan 24, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s a tricky situation because on one hand, as you point out, he’s worked really hard at making the most of a one-note, joke gimmick that couldn’t have been intended to rise past the undercard. On the other hand, it’s a one-note, joke gimmick that, through Ryder’s hard work, has risen to the midcard, but it’s hard to see it going any further. It will be interesting to see if they can make his character more serious without destroying it completely.

by joliemadchen on Jan 24, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he would be repackaged compeltely

but I think their ultimate goal is to make him get taken more seriously as a championship caliber wrestler. Whether it works or not, we’ll see.

by hfl2013 on Jan 24, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

That's about as far from the ultimate goal as the Earth is from the Andromena Galaxy.

If WWE had any plans to make Clay into a championship caliber wrestler, they would’ve let him keep his “Hall of Pain” gimmick instead of giving said gimmick to Mark Henry while Clay was off filming a movie.

by *Asterisk* on Jan 24, 2012 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Ryder, not Clay

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 24, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever.

WWE doesn’t have any plans to make either guy be taken seriously, and ended up using both guys’ ideas, or in Ryder’s case, established heat, to get old standbys over.

by *Asterisk* on Jan 24, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, I agree

because Mark Henry sucks and hasn’t finally gotten a gimmick that works perfectly with him. Then we could have Brodus Clay talking about how he’s worked 15 years to get a World Title. In fact, I love this idea now. Brodus Clay can re-debut and win the WHC. Then we can get Mark Henry coming out and doing the T-Rex dance and yelling “AWW FUNK IT”. Good thinking *.

by hfl2013 on Jan 24, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Those are wonderful ideas aren’t they?

Suum Cuique

by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 25, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

It would've been indisputably better to have Clay beat Orton, Kane, and Big Show clean and dominate the company than Henry.

It’s not that Clay is much better than Henry, he likely wouldn’t have affected the buyrates or made the ratings go up that much either, but unlike Henry, Clay at least has the chance to be a long term star because he’s not going to just retire in two to three years like Henry.

Mark Henry was just lucky enough to have been around, not a star but around, during the glory years, so Vince McMahon was happy to sacrifice the “Hall of Pain” gimmick, which was Brodus’ idea, to Henry for his semi annual push.

Not to mention, why the fuck are you still defending this storyline when the Smackdown ratings barely went up, the matches except for that one with Big Show sucked, Henry wasn’t used to get anyone over, and WWE is actually using Bryan Danielson to get Henry over as a babyface?

by *Asterisk* on Jan 25, 2012 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Clearly you just cannot be entertained unless the script works for you. That’s not bad, but when you come around & start insulting people.. that is. Why do you even bother to come around? I read on other threads where people would put you in your place.. I didn’t understand & actually felt bad for you. Not the case anymore. You cannot have a reasonable conversation or debate, you just run to insulting people, making everything you say lose credibility. The way you write, it sounds more like temper tantrum than anything else. I know why that is as well, you’re a child or you have a child like mind.

Suum Cuique

by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 25, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't act like you have a high horse.

You’re the one who called me a faggot in this thread, it’s not my fault I’m fucking your mother without a condom on.

by *Asterisk* on Jan 25, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Have you two read your own posts?

You snipe at each other like juveniles. It detracts from any threads you are involved with. Is there any chance you could take your arguments elsewhere? I’m very surprised that the site management allow this to continue as your insults make this place look incredibly amateurish.

by catbwoy on Jan 27, 2012 5:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Meltzer mentioned on his post Raw radio show that he has some sort of movie role to film and that’s why he was written out of the storylines for the time being.

by Keith Harris on Jan 24, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

No its all the IWC's fault, you wanted Ryder on Top, now Kane broke his back. Shame on us.

WAAAAHHH!!! sniffle sniffle cry cry…. * Poor Eve we can only feel a small portion of the pain she felt when Kane broke Ryder mid-card back and fell to jobber hell. How dare we like something that Vince doesn’t like. On a side note, that face, was Cena passing a stone?

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by dandeman on Jan 24, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The Long Island Iced Z has snatched a movie role? Cool, hope it’s a good one. Ryder deserve these opportunities!

by Mr. Sunny Days on Jan 24, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you might be right. Eve was planting the seeds as far as blaming Cena. When Ryder gets done with traction, he could come back seeking revenge.

Suum Cuique

by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 24, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if Zack will magically recover from a broken back in 30 days?

and where was the anal bleeding, you know there had to be some! Also did he have a pulse, these are important questions people.

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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 24, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

A couple things from last night.

1. Cena looked like Vigo the Carpathian with his mad face.

2. I bet they are setting up Zack for a heel turn to feud with Cena after The Rock is gone.

3. CM Punk looked ridiculously tired last night.

by davidhamilton83 on Jan 24, 2012 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

But I think that about Punk every week. Those dark circles under his eyes seem to be natural and/or permanent.

by joliemadchen on Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

There’s a reason he was willing to just walk away after MiTB.

by hfl2013 on Jan 24, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Most of them look tired and are showing more wear and tear than they should for their age.

by Mr. Sunny Days on Jan 24, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Constant travel combined with taking a beating for a living

by King Oskar on Jan 24, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Which in the long run will be good for his overall health, but in the short-term likely does exacerbate the issues.

by King Oskar on Jan 24, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep

This is why the WWE really needs to institute a roaming off-season for these guys. Unfortunately, I doubt they feel like they can lose Punk for the 15-20 appearances he’ll make between Raws, PPVs, and house shows if he takes even a few weeks off.

by hfl2013 on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

My wife said Dolph Ziggler looked like a stripper.

I love the attitude and presence Ziggler has…. but those man panties was awkward.

Anyone else get a Ric Flair vibe from him?

by davidhamilton83 on Jan 24, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

In no way, shape or form

He might have the potential, but he needs to have his character evolved. A lot.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 24, 2012 3:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Overall, not a very good RAW

I’d give it a D+.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 24, 2012 12:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

agreed, plus the Punk booking is more bullyish and less anti-establishment. He really needs to go off on Vince and HHH regardless if they are face or heel.

He needs to make defeating HHH is number 1 priority.

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by dandeman on Jan 24, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

The Ryder stretcher job basically killed the show. That took up way too much time and was terrible for nearly every second of it. Cena’s angry face was impossible to take seriously, especially since he was glaring straight into the camera. Eve’s acting is truly awful. This entire story needs to go away asap.

The Punk segments had some good moments and some bad moments. Ace’s lack of reaction when Punk hoisted him up was memorable but ultimately hurt the gravity of that moment.

The Sheamus routine is completely boring. To those defending his stagnant role as a way for him to elevate guys like Orton did last Fall during Henry’s title run, I just don’t see how Sheamus is elevating anybody. He squashes everybody. What help did Jinder or Swagger ever receive from the numerous squashes they have received at the hands of Sheamus? It just buries them. And it does nothing to help Sheamus because beating jobbers for 6 months in a row is not impressive. This is not similar to anything that Orton did last fall when he was temporarily moved away from Henry. Orton was still entertaining and putting on some great matches a good chunk of that stretch. I can’t remember the last time Sheamus had an interesting match. I think the last guy he put over was Hornswoggle.

Even though the show was disappointing, I can’t wait to see what Jericho does starting next week at the Rumble and the following night at Raw. I am expecting that he will move into the main event program very soon. And the return of HHH and the status of Ace as GM suggests that next week’s Raw could change things up in a big way leading into Mania. Hopefully it will be a change for the better. And please, get Cena away from Kane. Please.

by Kanenite on Jan 24, 2012 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

The Ryder stretcher job basically killed the show. That took up way too much time and was terrible for nearly every second of it.

So how much time did the Ryder stretcher spot take? I started watching about 45 minutes into the show via DVR, so I FF’d all the commercials and the stretcher scene. Curiously enough, I’m not nearly as sour about the show.

Although, I was not a fan of Punk getting his hands on EVPTR&IRGMJL at this point in the story. I feel like they are force-feeding/rushing the anti-establishment Punk but haven’t established a compelling reason for all the vitriol coming from Punk. Ultimately, he has the belt, hasn’t been screwed out of it yet, and more or less gets to say what he wants with few repercussions (kayfabe). The pieces are there I think to do what they want to do, but they’re not putting them together very well.

by King Oskar on Jan 24, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree about the Punk storyline. The way I see it, Punk is the one acting like the heel. Fellow Cagesiders have commented to me about why Punk hates Big Johnny, but it just doesn’t add up in my eyes. I keep hoping that Laurinaitis triumphs in the end, but that is unlikely.

by Manolo Has Pizzazz on Jan 24, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I think a big problem is the fact that

Punk had that HHH story where he went from feuding to friendly, and the Alberto del Rio title reign. A lot of the problems that Punk may have had/had with Laurenitis disappeared or were forgotten about because of those things.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 24, 2012 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know how long it took. My guess is that it lasted just over 10 minutes, if you start the clock at the point where Kane stepped over the barricade (which happened shortly after Cena arrived on the stage) and stop the clock when when the ring bell was struck to signify the beginning of the next match (Sheamus/Jinder). So that would also include two commercial breaks as well as a hype video for the Cage match at the PPV. It would not include the vast majority of the Ryder/Kane match nor the pre-match segment where Ryder tells Cena to stay out of his business.

by Kanenite on Jan 24, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I did 8x FF and it did seem to take a long time. It probably didn’t help that their match was also very slowly paced.

by King Oskar on Jan 25, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Ryder’s stretcher job wasting TV time really annoyed me. I haven’t been that annoyed since Smackdown routinely wasted over 5 minutes each show for King Booker’s entrance. They should have done most of the stretcher stuff during the commercial.

Boooooo to Eve. Why is she upset at Cena? Is Cena supposed to literally murder Kane? That would be the only way to stop Kane from ever laying a hand on Ryder again.

I’m not a fan of the Cena/Kane story, but I accept it since others like it. I prefer when that story has lots of little segments throughout the show instead of one long chunk.

by Manolo Has Pizzazz on Jan 24, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The only thing that would make this worth it, is if he said "I broke Zack Ryders back, I did it for the Rock."

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by dandeman on Jan 24, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

No

I prefer. I broke Zack Ryder’s back, I did it for the Bitches.

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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 26, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Regal should be the permanent third man for Raw commentary

Regal has that Ventura/Heenan wit. He would make the show much more enjoyable.

Punk looked like a little kid wearing his dad’s clothes. Wearing oversized shorts is a goofy look with his enormous shin guards. The title looks so huge when he wears it around his waist. Sometimes I wonder if Punk’s real gimmick is just being a jerky little punk kid. I think Vince is getting the last laugh.

In regards to Big Johnny’s expression, I was thinking maybe he was allowing Punk to get him as past of his master plan for Big Johnny not to get fired.

by Manolo Has Pizzazz on Jan 24, 2012 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with Regal. I think he should take King’s spot.

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by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 25, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

King can stay as the awkwardly weird "good" commentator

Have Regal be the “bad” commentator, and make Cole more even handed.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 25, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Jinder Mahal still has potential but will always be held back by the color of his skin thanks to the company he works for.

A very understated point. The day an ethnically South Asian or Middle Eastern wrestle debuts as face or as a non-racialized caricature in the WWE will be the end of the world as we know it.

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by sun yue on Jan 24, 2012 7:30 PM EST reply actions  

Ok show last night, but not as good as the last few weeks.

- Punk re-using the ‘pull your balls out of your purse’ line in back to back weeks came across as lazy. There are about a billion different ways to suggest that a man is not really a man . No reason to use the exact same line 2 weeks in a row. I tend to agree with the people saying he looks tired or burned out.

- I liked the Kane/Cena/Ryder stuff for the most part. The 20 minute stretcher scene and Cena’s overacting were a bit annoying however. I really enjoyed Kane stomping ZR last night. Kane running into the crowd when Cena came out looked like Frankenstein’s monster lumbering his way through an angry village mob. I dug it. Perfect opportunity for Ryder to come back with a more serious attitude and eventually pay Kane back or blame Cena and turn heel. Dumbass Jersey Shore parody still does nothing for me, Youtube channel or not.

- Jericho was awesome but WWE better really have something huge planned for him at the Rumble or I’m afraid it will be a big letdown. If he just joins the Rumble and immediately eliminates himself and leaves I will be disappointed. I expect something shocking or dramatic to happen based on his words last night. Something that could change the landscape, so to speak.

- Why is Regal not a full time announcer on one of the 2 main shows? He’s better than everyone else right now. Or make him somebody’s manager or something. Anything to get him on TV more.

- I like Punk but he needs to just get rid of the GTS. It’s such a phony looking move it really hinders my suspension of disbelief. Or just work it in a more believable way rather than a ‘well, it’s time for a GTS now’ way as his opponent meekly raises his arms so Punk can grab him and put him on his shoulders. It’s almost as bad as the 5 knuckle shuffle shit.

- Anxious to see Funkasaurus in an actual feud. I won’t really have an opinion on him until I see more but I will give WWE credit for putting something out there that isn’t just a clone of 10 other guys currently on the roster.

- Bets on whether HHH makes Foley the GM next Monday?

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by HeartOfHawkness on Jan 24, 2012 8:45 PM EST reply actions  

Is it just me, or...

Does Cena’s “dark anger” face look like he’s trying to channel the Undertaker a bit?

Time to spread a little chaos...

by Shadowbird on Jan 25, 2012 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

That or pass a kidney stone..

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