WWE claims John Cena was a $106 million retail brand in 2010, more details on Fruity Pebbles deal
by Geno Mrosko on Jan 11, 2012 8:01 AM EST
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WWE recently cut an endorsement deal with Post Cereal to make John Cena the focus of a campaign leading up to WrestleMania 28 in April designed to raise awareness for the Make-A-Wish Foundation and the "Be a STAR" anti-bullying campaign.
This adds to Cena's already impressive profile of endorsement deals, which include Subway and Gillette. He's truly the biggest star in the pro wrestling business, whether we want to admit it or not.
Michele Steele of ESPN sent out a tweet just yesterday saying WWE claims Cena was a $106 million retail brand ... by himself. PWTorch confirmed the story and added that with the company posting $477.7 million in total revenue that year, Cena can be credited with roughly 22-percent of it.
The idea of turning him heel is ludicrous when looking at numbers like that.
As far as the Fruity Pebbles promotion goes, Post and WWE sent out a joint press release to announce all the details. They make it painfully obvious what we can expect going forward in Cena's feud with Kane, which is to say, the hero will triumph once again. And, it now seems entirely possible that he will do the same against The Rock at WrestleMania on April 1.
Perish the thought.
You can read the full press release after the jump.
PARSIPANNY, N.J. (January 10, 2012) - Post Fruity Pebbles and WWE Superstar John Cena are teaming up for a new partnership, which includes a collectable cereal box and an instant-win promotion awarding a VIP meet-and-greet with the talent.
Cena's passion charity, the Make-A-Wish Foundation, for which he has granted over 250 wishes for children with life-threatening medical conditions, and ‘be a STAR,' the anti-bullying alliance co-founded by WWE and The Creative Coalition, are prominently displayed on newly-designed Fruity Pebbles cereal boxes featured nationwide January through March.
"It is truly an honor to team up with Post Fruity Pebbles. After all, who doesn't dream of being on a cereal box one day?" said WWE Superstar John Cena. "I am proud that the partnership also spreads awareness about the life-changing wishes granted by the Make-A-Wish Foundation and ‘be a STAR's' anti-bullying message of showing tolerance and respect."
"We are thrilled to support John Cena's work in and out of the ring for children with life-threatening medical conditions and those who are being bullied," said Michael Krishnan, Senior Brand Manager at Post Foods. "We hope Fruity Pebbles' partnership with this popular WWE superstar will raise awareness for the Make-A-Wish Foundation and ‘be a STAR'."
The on-pack instant win grand prize winners will each receive a VIP meet-and-greet with Cena, priority seating and transportation to a WWE live event, and an autographed "Rise Above Hate" T-shirt, in support of the ‘be a STAR' anti-bullying message. First prize winners will receive an autographed version of the exclusive T-shirt. The second prize winners will receive the exclusive T-shirt. To enter, look inside the specially marked boxes featuring Cena for a special code to submit on www.PebblesPlay.com/Cena.
The partnership stems from the onscreen and social media rivalry between Cena and WrestleMania XXVIII opponent Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, who compared Cena's brightly colored wardrobe to a bowl of Fruity Pebbles. Cena embraced the new nickname saying he is "Yabba, Dabba Delicious."
Post Fruity Pebbles Cereal and Fruity Pebbles Treats can be found at grocery stores nationwide. For more information, visit www.PostCereals.com.
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No wonder they have Ryder kiss his ass every week and play his stooge.
It only makes sense you would want some of Cena’s fanbase to rub off on Ryder, that way you sell twice the crappy merch to the same kids.
On The Rock though, would he really let Cena win? I assume Rock has as close to full creative control as you can have in this thing, so I assume the ending of their match will be on his terms. Maybe they’ve paid him enough he’s OK with losing, but god would I hate to see Rock lose to the “5 moves of doom”.
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Ordinarily, I'd call this a similar situation to Hogan/Rock at WM X-8, but I just can't anymore.
Even though everyone wanted to see Hogan win in a triumphant return, except that asshead Scott Keith, Rocky needed to win the match to legitimize his career.
But it’s not the same, Rocky was always able to get the fans back on his side until he left for Hollywood and had to turn heel, and even then, he became more popular than ever as a sellout heel than he had been in awhile. With Cena, everyone knows WWE isn’t looking to turn him heel to provide a similar effect, and Cena gets booed just as heavily for showing up on any given RAW as Rocky got for facing Steve Austin in Texas. Not to mention Cena already has clean, usually submission victories over everyone WWE put him against except RVD, Undertaker, and CM Punk. I can’t honestly say people will see him as any more legitimate, hate him any less, or respect him any more after he beats Rocky.
Though I can’t really be trusted here, my judgement’s been so impared by this awful, hilarious Cena/Kane storyline that I’ve stopped caring or hoping about rationally booking Cena.
He needed to win to legitimize his career? That’s like the silliest thing I’ve read in a long time.
by Chris Cutrer on Jan 11, 2012 5:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Somebody needed a win from Hogan to legitimize the fact that Hogan steamrolled everyone in his path for over a decade.
Rocky was the best choice for it because that match generated the most money, and had the best promos, of anyone they could’ve put him against with the exception of Steve Austin, and Austin would never agree to face Hogan under any circumstances.
In Cena’s case, he’s the one who’s steamrolled everyone in his path for almost a decade, and Rocky’s the one who’s given people more clean wins over him than Cena ever has. Rocky gave huge victories to Lesnar, Benoit, and Evolution on his way out, whereas Cena has been stealing spotlight and pandering to an unforgivable degree.
It’s why I think Rocky winning would be the best move at this point. Cena’s just built up so much ill will that I never want to see him win a big match again.
I can't imagine The Rock will lose in Miami
and from the rumors we’ve heard about their feud, the WWE doesn’t plan on the Rock having just one match against Cena. Give The Rock a clean victory over Cena and then Cena can come back and say he was “this close” to pinning The Rock or w/e and set up a rematch. Cena can win that one and then have a 3rd and final match to settle things “Once and for all”.
Dave Meltzer debunked the figure on his message board. Would WWE business really decline 22% if Cena was out for a year and they stopped selling his merchandise? I think the true figure is closer to 5-10%.
Bleh hit post too soon
Business would take a hit initially, but WWE would be able to find a way to attract the kiddies in again.
by Jonathan Loesche on Jan 11, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I think it might be higher than that, at least initially
Right now, he’s 22% of the business because the WWE has made him the main focus of most of their shows, products, and endorsements. If Cena is gone, someone else will take that spot.
Cena teaming up with the Post company to sell Fruity Pebbles is just going to make the boos worse.
With the added downside of just being humiliating for Cena to actually go through.
Man, I ordinarily hate Cena, but I really feel sorry that he has to put up with this, or at least I will until I see Kane appear via magic smoke in the ring during Cena’s match with Wade Barrett next weak in which Cena will FU Wade onto a metal trapdoor and give him a permanent back injury. This would be like forcing Kurt Angle to partner with Suckers Candy Inc, except with less dignity.
When has dignity and pro wrestling ever gone together?
by Jonathan Loesche on Jan 11, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wwe didnt force Cena into this endorsement his high powered hollywood agent and wwe made it happen. Cena is not stupid and the tag line on the box “Rocking your mouth” is pointed at Rock. All of this is well orchestrated to bring the most attention to Wrestlemania. Honestly it is brilliant marketing.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
by Major on Jan 11, 2012 11:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
really can't wait
the day that there is 100+ comments on your cena fan post or any post for that matter
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Jan 11, 2012 11:17 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
im gonna write about cena today
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
by Major on Jan 11, 2012 11:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
The Cena hate is just maddening
There are tons and tons of issues that bring the wrestling business down other than John Cena. A guy who was on his way to future endeavored land before he started rapping on a plane for Stephanie McMahon. He sucked in the ring when he was the dr of thuganomics and marks loved him. Turn him face and make him superman and backlash! Guess what guys YOU got Cena over in the first place! As soon as “word life” hit, men would scream and cheer like bitches for him. Cena is not at fault for wwe not giving him an adequate nemesis. Is that because Vince or a GM has been the main heel for so long that besides HHH they dont know how to book a heel anymore? probably, but that is not Cena’s fault.
He hasn’t gone undefeated for 5 years like Hogan did. He’s a huge star, he’s vital to the wrestling business as a whole. I don’t like how he’s booked but I don’t feel he’s undeserving of the spot he has because he’s not the best in ring worker. We forget that Rock was horrible! What until he tries to use a sharpshooter, horrible, but hes great and for a lot of fans Cena is great! I can respect that amd I respect Cena.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
by Major on Jan 11, 2012 11:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Untrue - Rocky and Cena are both great workers.
It’s even MORE maddening that both guys have this “not great workers” rep because they don’t do crossfaces or flips or whatever people think makes a good worker. Both of those guys can outwork every spot-monkey on the indies that doesn’t know when or why to do a 450 Splash but who just does them because they look cool.
You are in the minority. Regardless that both Cena and Rock have been in many 4 star matches, most credit their opponents for those matches being great.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
by Major on Jan 11, 2012 11:45 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Nope, I'm not in the minority
You actually are. You are in a bubble of internet commenters that have a very narrow view of “worker,” and honestly that view doesn’t extend to quite a few very respected places on the internet where they would also agree with me.
Dude I am a Rcok fan and a not a Cena hater
The fact is they aren’t Kurt Angle but they are great. The champion and the most pushed wrestler doesn’t need to be the best worker. Like I stated in the original post.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Of course they aren't Kurt Angle
They are both fairly significantly better workers, which is something that most people not trapped inside the bubble tend to agree with.
I'd rather see prime Kurt Angle do just about anything over watching Cena.
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by Chris Hines on Jan 11, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Prime Kurt Angle was okay if we are agreeing that his prime was 2000/2001.
It’s just that Angle post-2003 is terrible. Reversals for no reason other than he thinks they look cool, wrestling the same damn main event reversal-filled epic with EVERYONE no matter whether it fits or not, etc., etc.
I personally enjoy Cena’s 2007 over any year of Angle’s, but that’s personal taste. If we are talking about working the crowd during a match, knowing what move to do and when, building to a crescendo, being able to work different match types, etc. Cena sort of blows Angle out of the water.
Yeah you undersold him for sure.
At his best he was one of the best. I’m not as big an Angle mark as many, sine as a kid I didn’t really like him all that much. But I appreciate what talent he was. Surgeries and drug/alcohol abuse really took a toll.
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by Chris Hines on Jan 11, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
At his best he was very good.
I wouldn’t say one of the best. I think his high-point was working that nasty feud with Steve Austin. Austin got him to drop his constant counter-wrestling and do more wild brawling, which is a style that really fit such a blood feud.
His ‘01 still wasn’t as good as Cena’s ‘07 (he’s never got as good a match out of someone so bad as Cena did with Khali that year), but I’d put Austin/Angle Summerslam ’01 up there with Cena/Umaga LMS at Rumble ’07.
I still find it laughable how hard Khali was pushed
I mean I was paying attention to wrestling as much then, but anyone who can barley walk shouldn’t wear a title at any point. The dude looks like he’s wearing stilts, or he has no knees. He’s tall with an awkwardly big chest, that’s not a monster haha.
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by Chris Hines on Jan 11, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
He's good for the freakshow aspect of wrestling
I think it was easier for me to deal with him because I understand his function in pro wrestling. Cena got a pretty decent match out of him, though. It wasn’t a classic, but it was actually enjoyable. I think that’s because Cena is an amazing underneath worker.
He’s good for the freakshow aspect of wrestling
Khali can’t call spots because his accent’s too thick and his jaw’s too swolen, his knee’s are immobile, he can’t sell, he can barely execute the most basic maneuvers in the business, he can’t bump, and so far Cena’s been the only guy strong enough to lift Khali up for basic maneuvers to be performed.
How that’s adequite by any standard, even the limited standard set by freakshows and cripples like Big Daddy, is beyond me.
He is quite hard to watch in ring.
Slow, plodding, it almost hurts to watch him and try and do certain basic things in the ring… Like get up after a pin or leg drop.
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by Chris Hines on Jan 11, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
I know I turn slightly away
I get worried that if he falls down by some chance, he actually won’t be able to get up again.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 12, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think you missed my point completely.
Khali is there to be big, not to be an adequate worker. Also, if you decide to let Khali call the shots in any match, you probably should lose your job. The vets who actually know what they are doing should be calling those matches.
Khali is there to be big, not to be an adequate worker.
You don’t see the problem with this?
Also, if you decide to let Khali call the shots in any match, you probably should lose your job.
All big guys need to be able to call spots not just for the purpose of having a watchable match, but in order to be able to protect their opponent from their girth in order to even be considered adequite. Said big guy also needs the cardiovascular conditioning to not get tired to the point where the pace of what is already likely to be a much slower than average match. Khali is actively horrible at both, and thus, even by the low standards of immobile big men such as late period Andre and early period Kane, he’s utter shit.
Different strokes I guess.
I just watched the Cena-Khali match from judgement day 2007 and I sure didn’t see anything Angle couldn’t have done. Nor did I find it that enjoyable, but you’re entitled to your opinion as I am mine.
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by Chris Hines on Jan 11, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
His ‘01 still wasn’t as good as Cena’s ‘07
Angle’s match with Rock at NWO 2001, Austin at Summerslam 2001, and Benoit on RAW were all better than any match Cena has ever had with the exception of Cena’s match with CM Punk.
(he’s never got as good a match out of someone so bad as Cena did with Khali that year)
Angle’s match with Sting at Hardcore Justice 2011 was better than Cena’s match with Khali in 2007, and Sting is just as bad in 2011 as Khali was in 2007.
There is NO WAY 2011 Sting is as bad as 2007 Khali.
NONE.
SACRILEGE.
Seriously, the Stinger at fifty-whatever knows more about when to do what spot than Khali ever will. I also wouldn’t call Angle/Sting better than Cena/Khali in any way. Actually, that match drove me insane for a lot of reasons.
Sting has been more or less horrible since 1994.
He’s been old and broken down since 1997, and after 14 years of that, he’s in worse shape than ever before.
I also wouldn’t call Angle/Sting better than Cena/Khali in any way.
That’s because you’re severely overrating how good Cena/Khali was. It was a two star match at most, which is great by Khali standards, but it wasn’t even the best Khali match ever, much less indicative of Cena being a good worker.
Cena carried Khali to two stars because Cena’s the only guy on the roster who can lift Khali off the ground, and Cena doesn’t get tired from bumping the way other guys do, it wasn’t because he found a psychological way to get around Khali’s weaknesses or was good at calling spots for Khali because Cena has to rely on other people to do those things for him.
Even as broken down as Sting's body is now he isn't as bad as Khali.
Khali could barley move and more or less has to be coaxed through a match. So I agree with Razz on that one, but Angle-Sting was a better match to me than Khali-Cena. That’s not really on Cena so much though, he just didn’t have much to work with. Even as beat up as both Kurt and Sting are they aren’t stilt leg no knees.
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I was just trying to think of someone who is awful more or less on the level of Khali, but it isn't easy.
It’s like trying to find a worse videogame than Superman 64, or a worse film than the Seltzer-Friedberg collection, I may personally hate (a scant few) things more, but on an elementary level some things are just so much worse than their kin that it’s hard to find a close example. I just went with the best I could.
by *Asterisk* on Jan 11, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was actually thinking Khali is on the level of Hogan at Bound for Glory
His back isn’t in the same shape as Hogan, but they have the same stiff knees, lack of any real bumping ability, and that 100 year wait for them to get off the mat. Though I don’t think Hogan could take steps to the body like Khali did in that 2007 match simply from all the surgeries.
Not the exact same but much closer than Sting in my opinion.
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I personally enjoy Cena’s 2007 over any year of Angle’s, but that’s personal taste.
This is probably because you have no taste.
Angle has flaws in ring psychology, but any WWE year of Angle is better than any year of Cena, incudling the ones where he was hampered by surgery and/or stuck wrestling stiffs like Mark Henry and, funnily enough, John Cena
Oh Asterisk.
Bless your heart. You know nothing about what makes wrestling good, and yet you still post as though you do.
by Razztopia on Jan 11, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Having a guy who thinks that Cena’s better than Kurt Angle at any point during Kurt Angle’s WWE years tell me I know nothing about wrestling makes me feel more confident in my wrestling knowledge than any obscure factoid or match I could bring up to back my credibility.
LOL
Asterisk, if you didn’t like Cena’s 2007, you aren’t a real wrestling fan. I’m sorry. :(
It’s okay, you have terrible taste, but I forgive you.
I did like some of Cena's matches in 2007, 2008, 2010, and even 2011.
It’s just that, with the exception of Cena’s match against CM Punk at MitB, all of Cena’s best matches don’t stack up to Angle’s best matches. Cena’s two best matches ever were against Kurt Angle at No Mercy 2003, and Shawn Michaels on RAW 2007, and neither of those matches are even in the top 10 of the best matches of Angle, or Michaels careers.
Hell, Cena’s RAW match against Shawn Michaels in 2007 doesn’t even make the top 10 of Shawn Michaels matches just from his comeback run alone.
OK, let's actually have a discussion about this.
I disagree that Cena/Angle at No Mercy, while a good match, is even anywhere near Cena’s top ten (nor Angle’s). I think Angle’s best matches are his ‘01 matches against Steve Austin at SummerSlam and Unforgiven and his ’03 match against Benoit at the Royal Rumble. The issue is that Angle wrestles that ’03 Benoit match against EVERYONE. He has no concept of psychology beyond that type of match. When it fits, he is amazing (Angle/Lethal is a PERFECT example of this). When it doesn’t – like in a five-minute TV match where he’s supposed to be winning fairly decisively – it just looks awful.
I think Cena’s ‘07 is indicative of why he actually is a versatile worker (and as much as I dislike a guy like Punk, he also has more versatility). Cena/Umaga might be the best junk brawl I have ever seen, even better than HHH/Foley (HHH’s best match) or Funk/Flair tables match. It is paced perfectly and Cena is amazing, from his pained facials to his selling of Umaga’s offense. People hate the Superman comebacks, but that’s a WWE main-event face staple, so I let it go. He also had good matches with Lashley and a solid match with Khali, he shined against Orton at Summerslam and he had a series of good TV matches (one with Morrison that I remember). The point is that he played underneath guy to monsters excellently, he played the “equal rivals” role with Orton well, and he played the “face main-event ace who fends off inexperienced challengers on TV” role well. His matches (moves, facials, timing of spots, pacing, etc.) actually changed with each match depending on what type of match he was wrestling. He knows his shit, even if sometimes his move execution, the booking, etc, don’t stack up.
I think Angle is good in specific matches, but I cannot recall him having a year on TV and PPV like Cena’s ‘07. Part of that isn’t necessarily his fault, as TV matches were just generally of lower quality coming directly out of the Attitude era.
Cena/Umaga was a fine match, but it wasn't anywhere near the level you think it was.
Other than you, I’ve never seen anyone say that Cena/Umaga was on the level of any of those matches, much less mention Cena/Umaga in the same sentence as HHH/Cactus, or especially Flair/Funk.
he played the "equal rivals" role with Orton well,
He got beaten up by Orton for the whole match only to win out of nowhere, it was a good match because Orton’s a good wrestler, and Cena is as good as his opponent, it doesn’t mean that Cena’s a great or even good wrestler.
I think Angle is good in specific matches, but I cannot recall him having a year on TV and PPV like Cena’s ‘07.
If you can’t recall that Angle in ’01, ’02, ’03, ’04, ’05, and ’06 was better than Cena on his best day, you seriously need to reevaluate your taste in wrestling.
Yeah, Angle wasn't as good.
Angle’s ‘06? Hahaha, no. Good Lord. He’s actively bad at this point, and he has been since ’05 when he dragged Shawn Michaels down with his crappy counter-counter-counter matches.
Let’s put it this way, if my taste in wrestling runs counter to yours, my taste is definitively good. If I ever actually agree with you on something wrestling-related, I will immediately re-evaluate that belief.
He’s actively bad at this point, and he has been since ’05 when he dragged Shawn Michaels down with his crappy counter-counter-counter matches.
Oh, come on, you hate this match. The only thing you could do that would be more blasphemous than thinking Angle/Michaels was hampered by Angle, or that Cena on his best day has been better than Angle at any point would be by wiping your ass with the Shroud of Turin.
The only Cena match that matches up to Angle’s top 10 best matches ever is Cena vs. Punk from MitB, and while I would rank that match ahead of almost any Angle match with the possible exception of Angle/Michaels, every other good Cena match is substantially inferior to Angle’s best WWE work, and Cena’s worst matches are substantially shittier from Angle’s worst, even discounting Cena’s work from before his first WWE title.
i think,
it really boils down to someone’s personal opinion. A lot of people like what Cena put up during 2006-07. You don’t like it as much. And that is what makes up the modern day wrestling crowd. Some like what he had to offer and think he can deliver again, others find it crap.
While I may agree with some of Asteriks opinions, he doesn't find them opinions.
They’re straight facts and he can prove it to you. Oh it’s true, it’s damn true.
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I'm sure he'll find a video of just that.
I kid… but not really he will.
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I did like it.
I was just saying it’s ludicrous to suggest that it’s on the level of any year Angle had in WWE.
I could probably name 15 matches Angle had in WWE that were better than any of Cena’s matches except Cena/Punk, so I will:
15. Angle vs. Shawn Michaels, Vengeance 2005
14. Angle vs. Brock Lesnar, Smackdown 2003
13. Angle vs. Benoit, RAW 2001
12. Undertaker vs. Rock vs. Angle, Vengeance 2002
11. Angle vs. Eddie Guerrero, Wrestlemania XX
10. Angle vs. Edge, Backlash 2002
9. Angle vs. Edge, Hair vs. Hair, Judgement Day 2002
8. Angle vs. Shane McMahon, KOTR 2001
7. Angle vs. Undertaker, Smackdown 2003
6. Angle vs. The Rock, No Way Out 2001
5. Angle vs. Undertaker, No Way Out 2006
4. Stone Cold vs. Angle, Summerslam 2001
3. Edge/Mysterio vs. Angle/Benoit, No Mercy 2002
2. Angle vs. Benoit, Royal Rumble 2003
1. Angle vs. Michaels, Wrestlemania 21
I will say the whole John Cena "bad man" rap gimmick is hilarious
I’d honestly take that back over the Cena we have now, just for the giggles.
It may make me feel dirty to say, but I actually agree with Asterisk on this one. Kurt Angle WWE years beats anything Cena’s done.
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by Chris Hines on Jan 11, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, Angle workrate ten times better then current Cena. Its damn True. Now wheres the milk truck??
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by Luke Thomas on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
no taste?
im by no means as knowledgeable about pro wrestling as you are. In fact, i stared watching wrestling when Cena made his debut against Kurt Angle. Over the years, the only thing that i have figured out is the how compelling a wrestler can be. Cena in 2006 and 2007 was something amzing for me. It was only after that i became truly a fan. It was because of his angle with HBK that i actually watched all the 90’s matches of HBK. His matches with Umaga, HBK, Orton, and especially Edge, i enjoyed them a lot. His return at Royal Rumble and the ovation he recieved, i still can’t forget it. It has been only over the past couple of years that iw ish he would do something new. Kurt Angle was a good wrestler, but to me, from what i have seen of his matches (i have seen a lot) he was never that great an entertainer.
by himanshurai on Jan 11, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Kurt Angle is every bit as charismatic as Cena.
Why should i imagine Cena doing it?
Cena has his own brand of humor, which has gotten stale, as simple as that. When he tried becoming a bit edgy just before Wrestlemania, it was like dby people, but was brushed under the carpet because of the entire gay bashing campaign or something. Im not saying Angle was not good. He was very good for quite a long period. Cena couldn’t do the same because he went stale. however, before that he was quite good. Better than most at the given time.
Cena has his own brand of humor, which has gotten stale, as simple as that.
Funnily enough, Angle also has his own brand of humor, which is significantly better than Cena’s, and has yet to go stale.
Name one Cena promo that matches up to Angle’s level?
Im not trying to say that Cena is better or Angle was bad.
Angle was a great heel. Angle was able to sustain his value over a longer period. He was good as a face as well. Reinventing the character is where Cena falls short.
The point i was making was, to me 2006-07 Cena was very enjoyable.
I don't hate Cena, I just dislike the fact that there is never anything new with his character.
It’s just "you bought a ticket to say what you want… blah blah… rise above hate… blah blah… I’ll never stop being me… blah blah. In the ring it’s always the same thing, every match at this point is pretty much interchangeable with the next. He might as well be telling me to Train, say my prayers, and take vitamins.
At a certain point you just get bored with the same thing over and over again and you want to see something new. I unlike most don’t hate the Kane angle, just because I’m a huge Kane mark from when I was a kid, but I know at the end of the day it will still end the same way. At least with a Heel turn, or a slight heelish turn, there would be an added dimension to his character. Something new for him to say and do, a little different option for his ways to win. It won’t happen but honestly anything is better than the same exact thing all the time.
Honestly I don’t want to boo him, I just want to change the channel anytime he starts to do a promo. Any RAW in which he doesn’t close the show is a decent change of pace honestly.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
by Chris Hines on Jan 11, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Here is how I would Change Cena. I wrote this on another post but this one seems apprpriate
Cena would come out and start a speech after losing to the Rock at WM and start by referening how he has never changed and the speech would start like this;
I have walked the same line since I have started in this busness. I have done what was right popular or not and when I went to sleep at night I would know in my heart that I did the right thing. I haven’t changed, you have. I have tried to show you how to truely live, how to see things through to the end and to trust in yourselves. I wanted everyone to Rise above the hate. But you cheer for people that yell boots to asses. You cheer for people that brag and call themselves the best in the world. You cheer for a viper who takes every opportunity to hit a man when he is down. I have not changed you have. You have cheered for people who do the worst to people and when I do what is right for them you boo me out of the building. What do you want from me? What? I am not going to change? I am going to be me.
After that Cena will interfere in matches when the faces do underhanded things and set it right by alerting the referee or distracting the face and tell him or her how to do things right. He will become the ultimate boy scout and annoy the hell out all the fans.. At least this is how I see it.
I've got something to say; it better to burn out than to fade away!!!
I'm still waiting for my CM Punk WWE Ice Cream Bar.
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by Luke Thomas on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
I could deal with and glady accept it over the current way things are going.
It may not be the full heel turn that would suit me, but it would be different and actually add another dimension to his character. Unfortunately I don’t see anything happening. At the end of the day he still talks directly to children, and as long as they are buying his stupid shirts, and cheering for his lack of a personality nothing will change.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
I would love to see it happen
No one likes a tattle tale and that is exactly what Cena would become. He wouldn’t have to really change his personality, he just cranks his personality to 11.
Which is exactly what the Rock did when he became Heel and got over. Just now Cena is staleing faster than a week old bread on top of my oven.
I've got something to say; it better to burn out than to fade away!!!
I'm still waiting for my CM Punk WWE Ice Cream Bar.
Go Chargers (oh yeah I said that)
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It would lead me to believe that @bisping must have pissed off @danawhite something fierce. RT @drjamezkelske: @danhendo just out of curiosity, if the #ufc comes to you and asks you to fight Bisping again how do you respond?" -Dan Henderson
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by Luke Thomas on Jan 5, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Guess what guys YOU got Cena over in the first place!
So just because people used to like something means they’re not allowed to change their opinion once it starts to suck? Boy, I guess those NBC executives made a huge mistake by cancelling Heroes, right?
As soon as "word life" hit, men would scream and cheer like bitches for him.
Smarks always cheer for the bad guy, largely because in 90% of circumstances, the bad guy is a more interesting character than the protagonist in WWE storylines. It’s WWE’s fault for booking such stale, unlikeable babyfaces, it’s not the fans fault they see through it.
Cena is not at fault for wwe not giving him an adequate nemesis.
WWE has given Cena plenty of great rivals, some of the best wrestlers of all time have been his enemies, but Cena never treats any of them as serious contenders, and always brushes off the fact that he loses to them. That is his fault.
He hasn’t gone undefeated for 5 years like Hogan did.
Funnily enough, this is one of my major beefs with Cena. He loses often, he lost via countout this week as a matter of fact, but it never matters when he loses because neither he nor WWE treat Cena losing like it matters at all. Cena even said in the buildup to Summerslam 2011 that CM Punk only ever beat him “one time,” and just shrugged it off like it didn’t matter. This week alone WWE cut away from the camera before they could show Dolph Ziggler getting a countout victory.
It’s shit booking all around.
I'm a Cena fan
I think he puts on better matches than people give him credit for. I think he’s a legitimately good person who does everything he’s asked of and is great for the charities and Make-A-Wish Foundation. There have been many Cena storylines that I have enjoyed and feel he didn’t get enough credit for.
With that said, there are 2 very legitimate reasons why a lot of people hate Cena and I wish Cena himself would do something about it.
1. Cena can’t sell worth crap.
2. Cena’s promos are way too repetitive
The second point, you can maybe blame on the writers, but Cena is way too powerful and has been doing this for too long for him not to get some blame. I thought his promos against the Rock were great, but it doesn’t seem like he brings that effort to the table many times.
The first point though is something that gets very annoying. Someone pointed out here yesterday or the day before that it might just be the WWE’s face style to no-sell in the comeback. And that’s fine, I’m used to that and can buy into the adrenaline rush helping him ignore the pain. But that “I Quit” match with The Miz was the perfect example of how ridiculous its gotten. The Miz and Alex Riley beat the crap out of Cena for half an hour with anything and everything around the ring and yet Cena still won the match with a quick STF and looked fine the next day on Raw. Now with guys like CM Punk and Daniel Bryan in the main event scene, its even tougher to watch because those guys are some of the best and selling that they’re hurt.
Cena can totally sell injury/pain.
I direct you to Cena/Umaga LMS, Cena/Khali, Cena/Batista I, etc.
Also, I’m the someone that pointed out WWE-style comebacks are just how it is. Punk just cut a Cena-style comeback a couple of weeks ago. I don’t really count that against him (or anyone in the WWE), though I do agree with you in general that I wish WWE had their faces put emphasis on after-match selling.
I also think that “selling” is too narrowly defined as “selling pain.” You also have to sell a story to the crowd, etc., and Cena does that very well.
just surprised.
Given the amount of bashing Cena gets, if you look at it objectively, Cena does not deserve all of them. From all the comments i have read, a lot of people feel that his only problem is a stale character. Hoping that changes after Wrestlemania.
I’ll give you Cena/Umaga, but skip to about 6:10 of <a href=“http:// ”http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=phiJGMwqwJU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=phiJGMwqwJU" >Cena/Batista I.
Does that look like a guy who did anything other than just take a walk through a summer breeze?
This was Cena after he faced the biggest heel in the company in the second biggest match of the year, and he couldn’t bother to sell it at all. He’s awful at selling, plain and simple.
Cena sells at times in the middle or beginning of a match
but the fact that when it’s time for him to do his damage, or after he’s won/lost he forgets all about it destroys any selling credibility he has. You can’t just go through the beating of a lifetime and then be right as rain once the match is over. Limp or hold something, anything to act like you were in a fight of some kind.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
All I know...
is you can thank the Rock for this one. He thought he was being clever & he just got Cena paid. Reminds me of the old Dr. Dre / Eazy E rivalry… Now everytime Rock says Fruity Pebbles.. its another check to Cena. Oh, and look for new brightly colored merch to be on Cena again in the near future.
Cena’s gonna be like Yabba Dabba Cha Ching $$$$
And I can also suspect that any anti Cena messages will start coming to an end.. yea, they’ll make some money.. but nothing like this.
Welcome to the end of the world.
Suum Cuique
by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 11, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions
What does that have to do with anything I said?
Suum Cuique
by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 11, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
CIRCULAR LOGIC, THAT'S WHAT.
…no…
But seriously…this….
Cena’s gonna be like Yabba Dabba Cha Ching $$$$
…made me LOL.
Next thing you know, Cena’s gonna be coming out in a tricked out Flintstone Mobile…and Zach Ryder’s gonna be dressed up like Barney Rubble.
Well...
At least Ryder’s look better as Barney than Rick Moranis. And Eve would make a better Betty than Rosie O’Donnell.
But who’d be Cena’s Wilma?
Time to spread a little chaos...
Kelly Kelly of course… she’s the only face left.
I almost would make Ryder Bam Bam because he’s such a child like person..
Suum Cuique
by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 11, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man, can you imagine...
someone needs to make a gif or whatever of a lowrider flintstone mobile… have Khali’s head popped out the top & hornswaggle sitting on top.
I think you mighta really hit upon something here.
Suum Cuique
by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 11, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
You said Rocky's insult lent Cena a deal with post.
It’s true, but it’s still the equivalent of Rocky sending Cena money for Cena posting a Youtube video of himself wallowing in a mud puddle. I was just making the point that money shouldn’t be worth the price of artlessly sacrificing your dignity.
Ah.. ok, I appreciate the clarification. I didn’t see and Youtube video of Cena or whatnot.
Ah.. ok, I appreciate the clarification. I didn’t see and Youtube video of Cena or whatnot.It went right over my head.. haha. And yea, I agree, people selling out for cash & such may as well prostitute themselves.. but isn’t that what pro-wrestlers do anyway. They are selling themselves. And the Cena on a kids cereal box really does fit in with his post 2007 character. The only way to bring Cena down is to dig up dirt on him… like, was he ever a cross dresser? Did he choke & kill dogs or cats? Was he in really crappy B-movies? Err.. opps.. guess so.
Suum Cuique
by Rawuncutnxrated on Jan 12, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
shit I'll do that
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
I'm not sure that I necessarily believe either the WWE or Meltzer.
Meltzer’s a good enough journalist (his opinions on wrestling notwithstanding), but he seems more on-point with his MMA stuff over the years.
I’m glad that The Rock’s goofy insults at least led to a decent cross-promotion possibility for Cena and the WWE. Even when Rocky misses badly, he somehow scores a hit. Damn.
on the marketability factor of the guy,
i live in India, and there are a total of 10 people who are aware about how pro wrestling works. NOBODY hates John Cena here. Kids love him, and the teenage crowd enjoys his matches. The PPVs are broadcasted on TV with a week long delay. The channel that airs it is the top rated channel for that slot. In fact, the said channel, called TEN SPORTS, markets itself on the fact that it provides people with WWE. Guess who is the wrestling guy they show all the time.
The wrestling watching audience in India is very new to the sport. They do not know it like you do. This has led to John Cena becoming one of the most talked about foreign athletes in the country. You can find his merchandise everywhere (though im not sure how much WWE is making of it). Whether people like it or not, John Cena has become one of the most marketable entities in the industry.
That's more or less by design though.
Can you honestly say that it would be any different with CM Punk, Randy Orton, Ziggler, etc… if the WWE chose to push one of those guys as the top star of the company for as long as they have Cena.
All kids love Cena because they are suppose to, they are being told to at every turn. Just like all kids loved Hogan back in the day, it was suppose to be that way.
Cena doesn’t suck and he can wrestle, but his marketing ability to me is no more than any other guys would be with the same push and position in the company.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
So if he’s made helped make the company that much then how much revenue does he garner from the earnings? It’s gotta be less than what he’s getting paid which is a damn shame.
you're own stupidity will lead you to your own downfall
by congestedthoughts on Jan 11, 2012 9:16 PM EST reply actions
I imagine he cakes up. Between the movies, the merch, and I'm sure a cut of PPV earnings he cakes up.
"I'm a little worried about being a slut"
~ Bobby Hill
by Chris Hines on Jan 11, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I seen
one that said the undertake was worth up to 35. if even half true that is awesome that he is more of the macho man and less hogan/flair
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Jan 12, 2012 1:24 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
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