Kurt Angle Bashes The TNA Creative Process But Makes Sure To Compliment Hulk Hogan
If it was anyone else, this might be a surprise. But it's not, so it's not.
In a recent interview with Busted Open radio, Kurt Angle sounded off on TNA's creative process, calling it flawed and decrying the lack of communication between all parties involved, which is far too many for his liking.
But he did so while complimenting Hulk Hogan, one of two men (the other being Eric Bischoff) who hold the most power within the company. That's simultaneously smart and sad. Here's Angle's beef:
"I think we did a lot of things right and a lot of things wrong. The most important thing I'd say is the lack of communication within the writing and creative team. When you have a written show and you present that to everybody and then they start changing things and it becomes a watered down version of what the writer wanted in the first place, now you don't know which way to go. We do have a lot of chefs in the kitchen. I think that is the hardest part for our company because when Vince Russo is writing the show and you have Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff and a few other people and other TNA writers changing it up the last second, which I don't disagree with what Hogan says, I agree with him 100-percent. But we need to regroup earlier, maybe a week earlier, and get it done, change it up, make sure we have the right changes so that we can keep going with the storyline the right way."
This is Angle's way of playing as nice as possible while attempting to make it seem as though he's got an issue with how TNA is going about booking its shows. And the reality is that he's right when he says there are far too many chefs in the kitchen and there are far too many people with the ability to step in and mold things to how they see fit.
The big issue in TNA is the lack of clean wrestling. I mean that to say, how often does a TNA match end without a smoz finish? Everything is overbooked and no one is going over because of it. After all, how can we take Bobby Roode serious as world heavyweight champion when he was beat clean by Angle and then won the title through nefarious means and has held onto it in the least dominate way imaginable? You just can't.
Heels can win being cowardly but they have to be established first and that never happened for Roode. Angle was supposed to put him over clean at Bound for Glory and that was changed at the last minute by Hogan.
Which leads into the next point Angle made that makes sense but seemingly won't change:
"We're starting to get to the point where these (younger) guys are going to start full-time and Kurt Angle and Sting can dwindle off and retire. That's what we need to happen and that's what's happening right now and I'm glad because I don't want to leave TNA and leave an open spot there. I can't wrestle forever. As a matter of fact, I am already talking about retirement. It's about making guys and putting them in my spot and making sure they are secure there before I leave."
That's all well and good but he's not actually "making" anyone. As stated previously, he was supposed to "make" Roode but that didn't happen and now we have a world champion who still seems like nothing more than a mid-card tag wrestler.
The man who was booked to take his place, James Storm, hasn't been made either, as evidenced by his losing to Angle at Genesis. That's all to set up a match on Impact, of course, that will likely lead to Storm going over on TV where the most viewers can see it happen but ask yourself this -- has Storm come out of this feud with Angle looking any better than he did going in?
The answer, sadly, is no. The cream will usually rise to the top unless there are those in power deliberately holding it down. And as long as Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff are around, we're always going to have situations like the former touting the latter's son as some big deal in pro wrestling when the kid can barely take a bump. Hogan literally buried the entire locker room just to put over Garrett Bischoff on Twitter.
But because he holds so much power, even veteran talent like Angle aren't going to go after him.
TNA does a lot of things wrong. And that's because the wrong people are in power. Until that changes, everything else will remain the same, no matter who the booker is and no matter how smart the creative team can be.
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On one particular point...
The big issue in TNA is the lack of clean wrestling. I mean that to say, how often does a TNA match end without a smoz finish?
This is particularly true of PPV. Why would I waste money to watch continuous non-finishes on main event matches? I get that TNA makes their money on television, but then why not abandon PPV completely and instead hold Clash-of-the-Champions-style megashows on TV once every three months?
The finishes are just one issue of a more endemic problem in TNA, which is that nothing, from the marketing to the booking, has a seeming direction.
That's the thing about TV
they aren’t making any real money on it. I have no idea how they’ve managed to stay afloat this long with their business plan being what it is.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
I was under the impression
That their deal with Spike was favorable enough for them to turn a profit, particularly considering that a) they can keep costs low by stiffing lower-card wrestlers and staying near the Impact Zone for the bulk of the year, and b) Spike was helping them pay a couple of the biggest names like Sting and Hogan.
I could definitely be wrong about this, though.
Keeping costs low and getting money from Spike
doesn’t mean they’re making money off TV. If Spike ever decides to pull the plug, they’re probably fucked.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
That is true, but I do remember a story
that they turned a profit. Likely not a significant one, but I think that they are in the black.
Of course, almost any company that loses TV is pretty much fucked, and that goes double for TNA.
Over the ten years, they’re deeply in the red. The Jarretts would have bankrupted themselves in 2002 if they hadn’t found Dixie Carter to invest in the company. 2002-2005 were all big money losing years as the weekly PPV concept was a failure and then they paid significant money to get on Fox Sports Net for a year. Over the next few years they gradually cut their losses down and may have broken even or made a small profit by 2009. But then they expanded their payroll by bringing in more big names to compete more directly with WWE, which didn’t lead to increased business and thus 2010 and 2011 would have been another couple of big money losing years.
by Keith Harris on Jan 11, 2012 7:12 AM EST up reply actions
That makes more sense.
I recall the “profit” story being for a recent year, but I couldn’t remember which one. Obviously, Panda Energy is taking a huge loss on this project overall. They must just write it off on their taxes or something.
TV is used to break even
PPV’s are used to make money, and merch is pure profit. Spike may be giving TNA a good deal, but cost of expenses are still high enough to need another source of income. If TNA ever wants to go live an have some type of travel, they absolutely need their buy rates to increase.
So go forth, my brethren, and proceed to mark the f*ck out
by C. J. Bradford on Jan 10, 2012 7:55 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Well, they ARE striking out to London soon.
They seem to be getting away from the Impact Zone a bit more often, too. I agree with you that the model traditionally is that TV promotes the PPV/house shows, which is where the real money is made. But TNA seems to be doing things in reverse or something. They have falling buyrates but keep coming up with the cash to have PPVs in Detroit and house shows overseas.
I don’t know what the explanation is, but my guess is voodoo. That’s the only thing that makes sense.
Hogan sacrificed a virgin at the alter
It would fascinating to look at their books. As an outsider I have no clue how they are staying afloat. But one has to assume they know how to stay in business. Maybe
So go forth, my brethren, and proceed to mark the f*ck out
by C. J. Bradford on Jan 10, 2012 8:29 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Kurt needs to understand
That finish was changed because a Roode win would have upstaged Hulk’s precious face turn. Hogan may have stayed clear of the main event spot that night to satisfy the marks IN the business but there was no way in hell that he was not going to be the feelgood moment that the fans remembered. At least the piece of garbage went online and warned everyone ahead of time that Roode wasn’t ready. The man has protected his spot and desired reactions his entire career. For the life of me I do not see how any business keeps around somebody making $35,000 per appearance as the top name when they are in no way generating $35,001 off his outings. He never mentions them in interviews so they aren’t getting the rub from his name and his shirts aren’t exactly flooding the Impact Zone. And now good old Kurt is right up in the orifice that is rumored to have housed a barber pole making him another leach and Hogan Kiss Ass like Beefcake and Knobbs. It’s sad when the people who consider us marks are the biggest marks for the greatest carny of all time. Ok I’m done ranting now.
Oh look
another fledgling company is in trouble, let’s blame Hulkster. Thank God he’s not over at the WWE, he’d probably have them pulling high 2’s for RAW. Oh, wait…
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jan 10, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
You’re doing this? You have NO good defense for Hogan killing TNA. None. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Can you even come up with one way that he’s actually helped that company? Even one?
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jan 10, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
He didn't "kill" anything
They’re still on TV thanks to him
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jan 10, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
You can't actually believe that statement.
Stop trolling.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jan 10, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the WWE PPV numbers. Can’t blame Hulkamania for that.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jan 10, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
But what does that have to do with Hogan being a net negative for TNA?
I mean, you’re going to have to prove to me that Spike TV said they would cancel Impact without Hogan being put on the show. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy Hulk Hogan, but he’s a carpetbagging hanger-on that sure hasn’t spiked the buyrates or ratings. They could spend that 35K per show WAY more efficiently, I think.
He's a delusional Hogan apologist who isn't even sure what he's apologizing for anymore.
It’s a gimmick at this point. Has to be. No one could believe the shit he says without playing a part. Other than Hogan, of course.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jan 10, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
One question
When Hogan retires or his heart explodes (hold for applause), and the wrestling business still has all the same problems it’s always had, WHATCHA GONNA DO?!?
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jan 10, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm huckster neutral
but he did make a point about the same problems
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Jan 10, 2012 10:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think Geno and Jesse should settle this one like MEN. In the RING. /roided-out Triple H voice
by joliemadchen on Jan 10, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
I would lose by countout
Because Geno would no-sell my offense and I would walk away in disgust
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jan 10, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong.
I would oversell your offense and you would go along with it like a donk, just like your idol.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jan 10, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I'm dying of laughter
reading the back and forth between the 2 of you. Nothing gets you guys riled up like the Huckster
who said anything about the wrestling business as a whole?
looks to me like everyone is talking about TNA and if you honestly think TNA is a better place since Hogan arrived then please share some of whatever it is you are smoking.
Maslow's theory of higher needs does not apply to Patrick Willis. He only has two needs: tackling people and finding people to tackle.
by 49erLou on Jan 10, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jan 10, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I don't even think people are soley blaming Hogan
Just saying that he most likely has a negative effect on the company despite getting paid $35k or whatever per show. Which he probably does. If he were a little younger and was able to still put on a good match I think he might bring in more revenue.
Dixie and Bischoff play a hand in how the company is failing as well. So noone has said that if Hogan goes everything will be awesome.
by The Name is Dalton on Jan 11, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Actually let's look at the TNA PPV numbers among other things
No Hulk isn’t to blame for the WWE numbers, the product isn’t connecting with the audience and that really wasn’t a point here. Let’s look at TNA’s numbers. They were doing on average 30,000 buys, not spectacular by any means, before Hogan showed up. They dropped to an average of 9000 since Hogan joined. The knockouts were initially dismantled outside of eye candy and the top female talent sent packing while the X-division was destroyed all based on Hogan and Eric not feeling they should be the focal point when in reality they were the entire focal point that the audience tuned in for. The knockouts to this day draw the some of the highest ratings on average. A.J. was destroyed after a phenomenal run with Kurt by Hulk and Hulk alone feeling he should be the next Ric Flair and he has never recovered from that stunt. How about the whole Hall of Fame Ring/Abyss garbage that DROVE viewers away, again Hulk’s idea. It’s endless and nobody can defend him seriously. Hogan can book himself to be great but that doesn’t mean he can lead a company to greatness, especially when he, as so many others have done, can’t remove his ego from the equation. Let’s look at Hulk’s brilliant business decisions outside of controlling his character. The cheap ass thunder mixer, a fake Foreman grill that caught on fire, some deal to get property taxes lowered in FL. debt consolidation scam company and the R.A.C. ad’s which are for a company that has been sued for discrimination, threats and abusive behavior towards women in just about every State for YEARS. Point is he’s out for a buck and will get it anywhere he can no matter how horrible the product or partner is. As far as Kurt goes he flips his story so many times your head spins from the nonsense he spews. Kurt knows he’s calling the shots so he kisses ass. Hulk did a lot for the business including making others more money in the past. He has also done more harm than good when you look at all of his years through his creative control and eventual control of the direction of the product. He found a place to make money and he will rape pillage and plunder that company until he is the last one standing and proclaim how Hulkamania will never die. He’s a carny out for himself and as the past has shown, anyone he considers a threat is gone or ruined with the claim he gave them the ball and they couldn’t carry it or they don’t want to do what’s right for business….his business and his alone. You simply can’t defend him and honestly believe it.
by jwbrooksjr on Jan 10, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
See now I feel guilty that you typed all of that
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jan 10, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
But it was worth it for the fake Foreman Grill line, I lol’d
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Jan 10, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Random thought
What are the chances that someone can ever convince another gold medalist to sign a pro-wrestling contract?
They would probably have to be a huge pro wrestling mark beforehand.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Was Angle a fan beforehand?
It just seems strange that the WWE never successfully moneywhipped another olympic wrestler into getting into the WWE especially after Angle was gone and still going by the only Olympic gold medalist in pro-wrestling. Maybe not too strange considering the difference between pro and amateur wrestling, but it just seems like there’s a golden opportunity in it for the next guy to make the transition.
Angle was lightning in a bottle. There is no guarantee that any Olympic wrestler would do as well. Angle took to pro wrestling like a fish to water. At this point, it’s best to let athletes outside of wrestling decide to become involved in wrestling and offer opportunities to those.Throwing money at outside athletes and your more likely to get another Goldberg. Someone who likes the fame and money but could care less about the business itself.
by StrongStyle81 on Jan 10, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
It’s been 10 years and TNA is still not even close to being a a competitor to WWE. How long does it take to get your shit together. Indy companies such as DGUSA, Chikara and even ROH (although not as good as they need to be) are far more entertaining and people like myself would rather spend money on helping them stay around then blowing it on shitty ppv’s TNA has. It shouldn’t take someone like Angle to say something when guys like AJ, Roode, Storm and even Abyss have been there since nearly the company started which helped them get to where they are at should be the ones to speak up. The biggest problem TNA has for years is the lack of leadership. Dixie knows shit about who to hire and how to run a company while letting sociopaths run the company into the ground. Hiring people and keeping ones they DON’T NEED like the majority of the knockouts and Eric Young has gotten on my last nerve. I think I’d throw a rock at him for acting so fucking stupid each week. You can’t run a company when everyone that has a hand in doing so (the main bookers) who DOES NOT GET ALONG have their own way of how the company should be. You all need to come to agreement which is the only thing WWE has. Atleast all the creative have a filter in Vince to generate their ideas through. Even though he’s been out of touch of what wrestling is in his own way, atleast theres everyone coming to an agreement. Sure the yes men clearly have NO BALLS and Vince maybe a narcissistic greedy fuck, he’s still the one leading WWE not completely coming apart….atleast not yet.
you're own stupidity will lead you to your own downfall
by congestedthoughts on Jan 10, 2012 9:25 PM EST reply actions

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