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WWE Raw results and reactions for Sept. 19 show in Cleveland

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WWE Raw Supershow tonight (Sept. 19, 2011) emanated from the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, Ohio. It was the first show since the events of Night of Champions so we were supposed to get a lot of answers. And we did. Kind of.

Before we get to the reactions to the show, it's time to give a shout out to the Cageside commenter who delivered the "Comment of the Night" in the Raw live blog thread. And that honor goes to Kyle Rancourt, who dropped this gem while Miz was rapping along with R-Truth -- "Miz rapping is a good idea in opposite land." Well done, Kyle.

If you want full results from Raw tonight, click here for the running blog. Time to get to reactions from the show:

  • I'm torn on the main storyline to the show. On the one hand, it's easy to harp on how convoluted it's becoming and how it's hard to keep up with everything that is happening. But at the same time, haven't we been sort of asking for as much? Remember the Attitude Era? Some of those storylines were insanely deep and ran 10 times longer than this with more twists and turns than this story has even come close to. I'm going to try to stop bitching about the storyline moving so quickly from one thing to the next.
  • That said, it's obvious where they're going with this. Well, maybe not obvious, but the clear explanation for everything that happened tonight is there will be an uprising of fired wrestlers against Triple H and his reign as COO. CM Punk made it clear that he recognizes "The Game" is not actually a part of the conspiracy, just an unwitting pawn, same as Punk himself. The other side is obviously led by Johnny Laurinaitis, who has opposed Triple H at every turn but maintains to his face that he is still a loyal employee. He even told Triple H to ignore Punk and tried to fire him, which was overruled by Trips.
  • Miz and R-Truth are now major players in the main event storyline, which is both good and bad. Good because they're talented and can add a couple fresh faces to this thing but bad because they're not workers that can be depended on for a potential five-star match. Triple H firing them and kicking them out of the building means nothing, as no WWE firing actually does, other than allowing them to side with Kevin Nash and, eventually, Laurinaitis to build an entire faction to go against Triple H. A new nWo invasion style angle, if you will. Just please, for god's sake, don't call them the nWo. The entire angle will die right then and there. They've teased the return of the nWo in recent months, though, with Nash leading the charge an even did a kayfabe article on the WWE website speculating on possible members. Guess whose names were on that list? Bingo.
  • Punk wasn't buried last night and he wasn't buried tonight. His teaming with John Cena was disappointing, simply because I'm not a big fan of the "team them up before their pay-per-view match against each other" style of booking but I loved it that Cena got beat down the entire match, while Punk was allowed to take the hot tag and get the big finish with Cena on the outside selling. I guess that was the receipt for jobbing to Triple H last night. 
  • On that note, Punk limping to sell the brawl last night was exactly how it should be. Triple H coming out and saying he's just as hurt but showing absolutely zero signs to reflect as much and not selling like he's injured at all is why we fans constantly worry that he'll bury everyone he comes into contact with. It's little things like that.
  • At one point backstage, Alberto Del Rio made an off-hand remark that because he didn't like the fact that Triple H booked his title rematch against Cena in the Hell in a Cell and added Punk to it that he "prays for the day Vince McMahon comes back to run this company." That's all the foreshadowing we need. Old Vinny Mac just might be the guy behind Johnny Ace leading the charge with Nash, Truth and Miz. I dig the way that sounds but not WWE's ability to make it happen. 
  • Which reminds me -- I realized tonight that my ceaseless complaining about Triple H being booked like a babyface against Punk was silly. Knowing what we know now, that was always how it should have been and it was always the plan. He has to be the babyface to go against the returning heel faction led by Vince. This was always how it was going to be, or at least it seems that way. Is there still ego involved? Hell yes there is, but at least it fits within the storyline.

After the jump are thoughts from the rest of the show, which wasn't particularly strong.

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  • Mark Henry was, once again, phenomenal in his segment. He cut yet another amazing promo and is gimmick of going after everyone that ever doubted him, which is to say, everybody, is already over huge. Going after Jim Ross accomplished two things: 1) it got him even more over as a mega-heel and 2) Vince got to punish Ross some more. Anyway, Henry was great and I can't remember the last time a guy made me want to actually make a point to watch Smackdown. Henry pulled it off. 
  • It was a pleasant surprise that Orton wasn't at the show tonight. Made Henry look better by extension.
  • Alberto Del Rio being booked to look strong and absolutely squashing somebody was the exact right move to make after the way he lost the title last night. That said, I didn't think it should be John Morrison, but whatever, he's a mid-card jobber and he served his purpose. Of course, matches like this will do nothing for ADR and how we view him if they never actually let him look like this against a main event level talent.
  • I sure did like seeing Sin Cara on Raw and I really like the idea of the Sin Cara Mistico vs. Sin Cara Hunico storyline but there's just one problem with how they're doing it. They haven't clearly established just who the hell is who. This causes a great deal of confusion with the live crowd, who won't know who to cheer for, and kills all the heat the character has been building.  That's a quick fix, though, and I'm looking forward to seeing more.
  • Hugh Jackman, the guest star for the night so he could promote his "Real Steel" movie, was entirely too excited and enthusiastic to be there. He was overdoing it big time but he was obviously having the time of his life and it was refreshing to him someone marking out so hardcore right there on TV. They even gave him a nice spot with Zack Ryder and figured out a perfect way to intertwine the two for a nice way to get Ryder a win over Dolph Ziggler. Now let's see if WWE actually does what they didn't before and takes note of the reaction Ryder was getting and keeps him on TV. And not as a comedy jobber.
  • That reminds me, I miss Santino Marella.
  • Time to dissolve the "Diva's of Doom" since that's not really what they are if they can't beat Kelly Kelly and Eve, who have been booked to look like the weakest leading ladies in history. Kelly in particular is the weakest champion I've ever seen and her level of talent, which is still hovering in the negatives, is enough to actually piss me off while watching the show. It's like they're punishing Beth Phoenix for being Punk's girlfriend. Hey, wait a minute...
  • Jack Swagger is now an official client of Vickie Guerrero and they're still building to the match no one wants to see, Swagger vs. Ziggler for the U.S. title. Ziggler is a great worker but Swagger is a heat killer and I don't like where this is going.
  • They booked an entire eight-man tag match, that included the tag team champions, for the sole purpose of getting Sheamus over as a monster babyface. The only way I'm okay with this is if Henry keeps the title and they build it slow enough to get back to the solid feud these two had going before Henry moved on to winning the title from Orton. 

Didn't think this was the best show but there's some nice potential with where everything is headed. But that's enough from me; now it's your turn to sound off in the comments with all your thoughts from tonight's show.

What you did like, what you didn't like -- everything. Don't hold back, Cagesiders. I never do.

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I think I see the big reveal.

Johnny Ace is/was the anonymous GM. He also lost a rubber hand backstage one time; no idea where it went.

by HouseRN on Sep 20, 2011 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Raw Thoughts

I agree with most of your thoughts on the show. And I am much more interested in the HIAC show now that Punk is in the main event, though I guess that won’t stop John Cena from pinning ADR. I am enjoying the direction of the main storyline tonight with the firing of Miz and Truth. I just hope this thing doesn’t end with a Punk heel turn and him thrust into yet another heel faction. I do think that HHH looks like a goofball for not suspecting Johnny Ace of any foul play, even after Punk spelled it all out for him. I think this is all going to somehow spill into the main event of Survivor Series. Maybe the heel faction will crash the HIAC match between Cena and Punk and help ADR regain his title, which will get Cena more involved in that aspect of the story.

The divas storyline seems to be a lost cause. But the divas never really matter anyway so while it is disappointing, it isn’t really that big of a deal.

I don’t mind Morrison getting squashed. I do enjoy his in-ring action, but after hearing some of the conflicts with him and Trish from ‘Mania I think he probably has the sort of personality that won’t help him get ahead.

Nice job with the Mark Henry segment. After a summer of 5 or 6 title changes (for each major belt) I think it is about time that they bring some stability to the WHC and let Henry run over everyone until maybe the Rumble or the Chamber show. Just keep him away from Mae Young please.

by Kanenite on Sep 20, 2011 1:34 AM EDT reply actions  

My main issue with this Invasion angle

is it feels like such a power imbalance. One side has Punk, Triple H, and Cena the other side has Johnny Ace, R-Truth, The Miz, and Kevin Nash. Even if you add in ADR and Christian the major players are all on Trips side. Something’s got to give. And assuming this angle extends for at least a few months, where does the Rock fit into all of this?

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by sun yue on Sep 20, 2011 1:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I think McMahon is the ultimate big brain

Said it from day 1. Wouldn’t be surprised if Cena wasn’t involved too.

Release...the KITTIES!

by GoForthAndDie on Sep 20, 2011 2:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe both Cena and HHH are involved in this.

I think Cena, HHH, Miz, Truth, Nash, Ace, Vince, and ADR are all united together in preventing(kayfabe) Punk’s mega-stardom. Little by little, they will all turn their back and betray Punk in some way. Remember, Punk is still the main character in all of this and he has been the catalyst in all of this ever since his June 27th promo.

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by TheHeat on Sep 20, 2011 6:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two Questions

1. What is Vince punishing JR for? I’d feel bad for JR in any case, but seeing his non-reactions on Twitter make me feel worse for him. I think he’s just grateful to have a job (which is what he said about the Divas division when asked what he thought of it—that the Divas are grateful to have jobs in this economy).

2. Has anyone pointed out that WWE has applied for a trademark for “The Reunion” on August 16th? (I work with IP as part of my job, so I can across it while tooling around the trademark database). Could this be the name of the new NWO?

Re: Hugh Jackman, I don’t know how anyone could NOT have enjoyed his enthused performance last night. The man loves wrestling AND Broadway! I think I’ve finally found my soul mate.

by joliemadchen on Sep 20, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

The best explanation I’ve heard is that Vince soured on Ross when he moved from Connecticut back home to Oklahoma and reduced his executive duties with the company. That said, it has always been a weird relationship with Vince and his executive TV producer Kevin Dunn long feeling that Ross was too Southern, too old and too ugly to be an announcer on their TV show, but have kept bringing him back as his replacements never worked out. It doesn’t help that Hunter isn’t a fan either, blaming Ross for lowballing him on contract negotiations and PPV payoffs earlier on in his career.

by Keith Harris on Sep 20, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus, is there anyone Vince and Hunter ARE fans of?

by joliemadchen on Sep 20, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

eachother?

pride never die.
silva is a can crusher, try and deny it after wacthing this

by vhw_ on Sep 20, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stephanie

My porn name is HogOfHawkness

by HeartOfHawkness on Sep 20, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I now tune in each week to see Mark Henry. Welcome to Crazytown.

It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

by Jesse Holland on Sep 20, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions  

The best thing about that photo is William Regal. Regal always makes the best faces.

by mariobatalivsmarkhenry on Sep 20, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Michael Cole really makes it hard to watch.

I realized after JR and Lawler went off air last night that their return was way more influential for my return to watching wrestling than SCSA/Rock/and Punks promo. No one wants to listen to him whine on and on and only talk about the story lines. COMMENTATE ON THE IN RING ACTION. And poor Josh Matthews gets squashed every time he opens his mouth….. Cmon Cole. Livewire was a cool show. You used to not be a fuggin tool.

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by doubleleg on Sep 20, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

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