Paul Heyman: People are pissed CM Punk got pinned, but if he's going to lose that's the way to do it

I think that's a good point

But as Heyman adds, it’s all in the follow-up. And the WWE hasn’t shown the ability to follow up much as of late.

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Sep 19, 2011 2:29 PM EDT reply actions

Here’s a couple of examples where Hunter had equally hard fought victories and the follow up wasn’t good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOQvt6fLPD0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-D6zGe4_PM

by Keith Harris on Sep 19, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Exactly

If all that there is to this is “Triple H wins, game over” (no pun intended), then the angle doesn’t really go anywhere.

Though I would add…if it turns out that Punk is allied with Johnny Ace, wouldn’t that be a huge middle finger to the IWC as well? The Internet’s hero booked alongside the exec that’s done as much as anybody to screw up WWE?

Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook

by Billy Gomila on Sep 19, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Heyman knows best

I’m happy for Punk to lose if it helps the story. I just hope they bounce back on Raw tonight with some actual ADVANCEMENT in this storyline. They started off strong after Summerslam with the Punk/Nash promo, that while flawed, asked many questions and had Punk looking his strongest in a promo since the famous worked shoot.

I try to remain less sceptical of WWE’s future but that’s so fucking hard to do when Cena has the mockery of a championship around his waist.

by Holls Hoyce on Sep 19, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions

Last night didn't hurt Punk

We got exactly what we knew/thought we’d get: interference and Trips’ ego. Punk will get his eventually. Or am I stupid?

Release...the KITTIES!

by GoForthAndDie on Sep 19, 2011 3:04 PM EDT reply actions

Punk kicked out of a Pedigree with no assistance or outside interference.

This really is pretty cool. That’s absurdly rare and not just because HHH is the big dog now.

1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.

by Chris Barton on Sep 19, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions

I saw the Ultimate Warrior take a pedigree like it was nothing once

The pedigree ain’t shit.

"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio

by Gdawg on Sep 19, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions

I was hoping Punk would break out the ultimate disrespect & use the Pepsi Plunge on his ass.

by Rawuncutnxrated on Sep 19, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh, come on.

Triple H was being punished that night for the curtain call at the Garden. That’s not even applicable.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Sep 19, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions

You’re right, but it’s still funny to think about.

by HouseRN on Sep 19, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Actually the curtain call came three months later, the reason the match was laid out that way was that Warrior pulled a power play and had the match cut short. Hunter wasn’t being punished then, he just took one for the team.

by Keith Harris on Sep 19, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions

It was just Warrior being Warrior

"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio

by Gdawg on Sep 19, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions

The problem I saw wasn’t that anyone got buried as much as the end did nothing to advance the storyline, heck it was such an overblown mess at the end it took away from the story. Why did Truth save HHH when a few minutes earlier he was putting Punk on top of HHH to try and get the win? Why did Punk save HHH from Nash? Why openly expose Laurinitis at this point only to have HHH stay COO and his boss? Why bring Nash back at all if you are just going to leave him unconsious, unemployed and looking goofy at ringside in the end?

So yea it all depends on what they do tonight with all of this, but does anyone expect a decent followthrough? Can anyone even come up with a possible decent followthrough for that ending? The whole thing was pretty blatantly written from the start for a storyline of who would be COO after HHH and how would Punk react to a COO worse than HHH but instead the entire thing went nowhere at all and added R Truth and the Miz and their conspiracy theory angle to confuse it all even more. What are even the possible storyline advancements at this point?

If you are going to book boyh HHH and Punk as faces like that then you need HHH to get screwed out of the top position and for a “evil boss” too be pulling the strings to mess with both of them. If HHH is still COO then all he has to do is fire/suspend Laurinitis, not re-hire Nash and suspend Truth and Miz and the whole situation is resolved by him very easily within one promo.

by who me on Sep 19, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions

Truth wanted to screw with the match for the sake of screwing with the match

He’s crazy and there’s a conspiracy going on. I don’t see how that is such a big question.

Punk didn’t save HHH from Nash, Punk just hates Nash and wanted to finally beat Oz down. Remember Summerslam.

Laurinitis didn’t fully expose himself, he played dumb around the refs and you don’t know who he was texting nor was Triple H paying much attention to him texting.

Why bring Nash back for that? Why not? If I could, I would have Raw end every week with Nash getting his ass kicked like that.

As for the follow through, everyone was wondering about the COO angle of the match so much so is it any wonder the WWE went the other way with things and decided not to boot Triple H as COO after only a couple of months? Right now, you still have the same advancement of Punk and H being forced into a begrudging partnership, but now you’ve put R-Truth and the Miz in the picture too rather than just being in the running for the tag team.

"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio

by Gdawg on Sep 19, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions

I see HHH suspending or firing Punk.. now that he won.. so we get the time off Punk wanted all along.. which would be asanine… so any heat he had was w/ the belt.. people won’t really be talking now.. but as HHH stated.. he was gonna ditch Punk once he won.. unless we get another BS Cena type firing… God help me they do that.. I may not even watch SD at that point.

by Rawuncutnxrated on Sep 19, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Truth wanted to screw with the match for the sake of screwing with the match He’s crazy and there’s a conspiracy going on. I don’t see how that is such a big question.

The whole reason they went down was to cost HHH his position as COO, HHH is the conspiracy they are constantly talking about. They even said they wanted him to lose earlier in the broadcast and they specifically put Punk on HHH to get the win but then R Truth saves him from getting pinned a couple minutes later? Crazy or not that doesn’t make any damn sense at all. R Truth just helped the man he says is conspiring against him to keep the job that allows him to conspire against R Truth.

Punk didn’t save HHH from Nash, Punk just hates Nash and wanted to finally beat Oz down. Remember Summerslam.

Nash was in the act of powerbombing HHH when Punk interfered. Yes that can be written off as Punk wanting a piece of Nash but in the end that was also Punk saving HHH and that turned into him getting powerbombed instead.

Laurinitis didn’t fully expose himself, he played dumb around the refs and you don’t know who he was texting nor was Triple H paying much attention to him texting.

Yes they could play it off like everyone is a moron still I guess but honestly at this point why not just have Laurinitis of cost HHH his job and take it over like they are obviously playing this angle for? You don’t think they would say HHH went back and watched the tape to see what the hell happened and why Laurinitis wouldn’t let the ref in to count the pin? HHH went over there and yelled at Laurinitis during the match. What is the storyline point of having Laurinitis stand out there and interfer but still have HHH win and be his boss?

Why bring Nash back for that? Why not? If I could, I would have Raw end every week with Nash getting his ass kicked like that.

If you aren’t going to book Nash as a monster then what’s the point of all of this with him?

As for the follow through, everyone was wondering about the COO angle of the match so much so is it any wonder the WWE went the other way with things and decided not to boot Triple H as COO after only a couple of months? Right now, you still have the same advancement of Punk and H being forced into a begrudging partnership, but now you’ve put R-Truth and the Miz in the picture too rather than just being in the running for the tag team.

Doing something different just because everything is written to go one way isn’t a very good reason and honestly is anyone really wanting to see Punk/HHH vs Truth/Miz?

by who me on Sep 19, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions

All good points.. but the “board” would have to decide Ace gets the job after HHH. And ya know.. as much as they flip the titles.. may as well flip the COO as well. And the Raw general manager could have stepped in at some point.. he’s supposed to have authority & how many damn matches as he interrupted for no reason.

by Rawuncutnxrated on Sep 19, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions

The swerve would be who Jonny Ace is really working for (Vince McMahon?). At this point HHH can just suspend or fire him or tell him to shut up and go away. Besides HHH isn’t really the COO the writers could write whomever they wanted to take his place.

by who me on Sep 19, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh I know.. I was speaking because of continuity. But if Vince lost his COO, they are saying he isn’t on the board… so would he still have the influence.. especially w/ Steph still on it?

Anyway.. they needed an evil HHH… I thought maybe HHH loses.. then says "HHH is quitting, but Mr. Levesque is the new COO & plays the total villain w/ MEGA heat.

by Rawuncutnxrated on Sep 19, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions

R Truth has hated on Punk too, not just hating HHH. And again, he's supposed to be crazy. Its like wondering why Eric Young is fighting Scott Baio

Punk incidentally saving HHH isn’t the same as saving HHH.

And what they’ll do with Johnny Ace will probably be found out today on Raw. I wish just once, people could wait to see how the angle will go before bitching about it (especially when we’ll probably only need 24 hours to find out).

"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio

by Gdawg on Sep 19, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh, and I don't think Punk/HHH vs. Truth/Miz is going to happen as a major angle

but it keeps 2 more main event caliber guys in the mix rather than just Punk and another guy that doesn’t need it at all

"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio

by Gdawg on Sep 19, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions

So we are going to believe the follow up was good… what happened after MitB? Look is champ again… ask Del Rio & Punk about follow up.. Punk wins the Undisputed belt & loses it w/i one minute. Now, we don’t even get a Del Rio/Punk feud. The follow up is dog shit in WWe… and, as stated, Raw is off of my DVR.. & now I am forced to watch my Rams get whipped by the Giants. The follow up is the BIGGEST issue in WWe.. the killed Punk by bringing him back after 2 weeks… that was the worst part of it all… worse than Nash even. And everyone is hedging their bets for something different tonight? The Punk storyline isn’t even that great to me anymore.. They are probably going to bring in someone for Punk’s back up in the near future.. but really.. they should have just waited for Surv Series. But Cena is champ & Del Rio & Punk are all but midcarders now.

by Rawuncutnxrated on Sep 19, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions

kinda hard to be a mid carder

when your featured in the biggest angle in wrestling right now

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by Jadden Hopkins on Sep 19, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Yea, tell that to Swagger.

by Rawuncutnxrated on Sep 19, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions

when was Jack Swagger ever involved in the biggest angle

in wrestling?

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by Jadden Hopkins on Sep 19, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Cashed in MitB & then won the WHT… and the longest running one in a while not named Edge or Orton. He was going strong & there was nothing on Raw.. when you say biggext angle.. ha.. don’t take much these days.

by Rawuncutnxrated on Sep 19, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Remind me again, who was in all 3 of the main events of MiTB, Summerslam, and NoC?

Was it Cena?

"In fact, most of these free-swinging Padres couldn’t hit Dock’s funky palm ball. I threw it often. But by then, also, the first acid distractions entered: the TV flickered; the cracks in the wall started to move; the hand soap started to breathe — those sorts of things. Plus I was drawn to the outdoor garden between innings. Rain was near, I sensed." - A.J. Daulerio

by Gdawg on Sep 19, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions

and will be in the main event of HITC

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"Grunt and Punt offense"
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by Jadden Hopkins on Sep 19, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Under the same circumstances...

Cena would be booked to kick out of the final pedigree, do a comeback, win, and destroy Awesome Truth and Nash, too.

by HouseRN on Sep 19, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions

Haha… Cena woulda put Buffalo into the STF & become the new mayor.

by Rawuncutnxrated on Sep 19, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Agreed, rec +1

by HouseRN on Sep 19, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions

speak the truth Paul

people gotta relax with the “punk got buried” talk

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"Grunt and Punt offense"
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by Jadden Hopkins on Sep 19, 2011 4:59 PM EDT reply actions

Cena w/ 11 titles since 2005… its just sick

by Rawuncutnxrated on Sep 19, 2011 5:12 PM EDT reply actions

He’s going to surpass Flair in a year it seems.

by HouseRN on Sep 19, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Kicking out of The Pedigree

is what sticks out the most to me from this match. Chairshot to the head>Title belt to the head>Pedigree.

Punk Ice Cream Bars for everyone!

"Wheres my helmet?" -Tony Romo

by doubleleg on Sep 19, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions

All of this. Can't wait for Raw.

As I remarked last night, Punk and Triple H went back and forth and had one hell of a match. This was no burial; Triple H took just as much of Punk’s offense as Punk did Triple H’s. Not to mention, Punk kicked out of a Pedigree with no assistance or outside interference.

Believe it or don’t but that’s not something Triple H just lets anyone do.

And yes, it took gobs of interference and attacks from all sides to finally get a pinfall for either man. As Heyman said, Punk took multiple pedigrees and a jack knife powerbomb from Kevin Nash. I believe he also took R-Truth’s finisher. That’s three separate finishers, one of them twice, from three separate guys.

Punk wasn’t buried last night; in fact, he was made to look just as strong as Triple H. The burial, if there is one, will come in the weeks ahead. Stay tuned.

by E-ROC on Sep 19, 2011 8:31 PM EDT reply actions