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If you are a wrestling fan, like I am, it is easy to see that wrestling isn't what it used to be. There are several problems with the way wrestling, I mean sports entertainment is running it's business. Both TNA and WWE are having problems with creative and pushing their younger stars. Last night, reaction about the Smackdown taping ran wild in twitter.

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If it isn't Zack Ryder trying a name for himself and WWE still ignoring him. Then it could be Jay Leathal always disappearing for weeks, after impressing on TNA television. Those are just a couple of examples that I randonly picked. Now, what I am going to talk about it a spoiler, so consider yourself warned.

At the Smackdown taping, just 48 hours after winning the World Heavyweight Championship, Christian was booked to be beaten my Randy Orton and lose the belt. To say that this is disappointing is an understatement. Why not let him keep it till the next PPV  at least. Christian has paid his dues and this seriously hurts the credibility of his "Title Reign". If it isn't Cena or Orton, then you can't be on the top for too long. I do have to say The Miz at least was able to be champ for a while, even if he wasn't helped by booking.

No one believes that TNA, even rebranded, has a chance to do anything. Their show is tough to watch. There is a reason their ratings stay so low even with the "start" they have signed. These wrestling promotions are either 1. ashamed to be a wrestling promotion; or 2.  too caught up in the soap opera drama of backstage.

I write all of this to say I do get frustrated with the product they are selling us. In WWE why is the Tag Division so irrelevant? Why is Michael Cole ruining show after show? Why is any exciting wrestler like Daniel Bryan or Kaval, made to look so trivial? We have seen what that can do. It is obvious WWE is out of touch with things and in danger of going stale. I don't even know where to start with TNA. I had high hopes for that promotion. They can't carry a storyline, unless Jeff Jarrett is involved. I used to like Mr. Kennedy, but Mr. Anderson is a cartoon character of a wrestling stereotype. You have an intoxicated Jeff Hardy carried out to the ring pretty much to have a "match". Kurt Angle is allowed to risk death in the ring given what we know about his neck. There  is no way he should be taking high risk chances like he did in his last PPV match. Something has to change, or wrestling may go the way of one of my favorite sports for childhood. Boxing.

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So because he’s “well liked” and been w/ the company a long time he “deserves” to be champ? I bet you could give Russo a run for his money w/ worst booker ever. Christian sucks.. he doesn’t add buy rates. No one tunes in to see Christian. He’s happy because he knows he’s pretty much worthless w/ his Candy Wrapper finisher & how he pulls a Matt Hardy clapping his hands when he’s going for his finisher… so people know its almost over & then are excited. This guy is a second rate midcard talent w/ zero charisma regardless of how he tries to give himself a name to get himself over to the contrary. Hell, just like he’s a whiny Bia.. his Intro music whines on & on… there isn’t a thing about him that’s marketable & enjoyable. His matched scream BORING.. unless someone else puts it together & pulls a decent match out of him by God’s grace. He even tried to use the spear tonight to help fans cheer him on.. his a piss poor imitation Edge who only got the title because he’s butt pirate buddies w/ Edge…. and that’s prolly why Edge got to walk out w/ the belt.. he promised he’s do WM if when he retired Christian gets his spot.. but you will see, next PPV at the LATEST.. he will no longer be champ.. it will be Orton’s & Christian will be back on Superstars.. where he belongs… until he’s back in TnA where he’s lowering ratings.. one bored fan at a time.

I wrote this the night he won it on another site that said he deserved it because he was “well liked” and “paid his dues”. I don’t think we need a revolution. Not just anyone can be champ & be believable. I hate Cena personally, but this is the days of Hogan being champ.. if there is one thing I hate more, its the title being hot shotted around, there is no reason why Cena should have 10 reigns since 2005. Those titles mean nothing. If anything the lower belts should be defended more & the WT less.. make it special again. In TnA, why hasn’t the TV title been defended on, you know..ummm .TV!!! Each week? Why the hell is Sting champ any way? Why, because he demanded it to come back to TnA… that was one selling point Dixie gave to him for him to come back… it sucks as fans.. one 7 min match later.. Hardy was destroyed, why? To feed the ego of Sting.. who should be like Flair.. not needing a belt or even to win matches & to be putting people over. Building the younger talent. Orton is not 8 time champ.. that’s stupid. Make it 4x champ & have him hold it 2x as long. Remember the old days when becoming champ & putting over the new guy to a title was HUGE!!! Now it means shit.. and when hacks like Christian get it, it means less.

by Rawuncutnxrated666 on May 4, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not really talking about Christain

Though he is apart of the short sighted booking problem. I am not saying Christain is great but since he got the belt they could have built up the $atch with him and Orton. It get boring to me to know Orton and Cena will most likely be the superman of their show for at least the next 3 to 4 months. Give Christian to have a couple of title defenses to gain credibility. Have the title match with Orton at next ppv and have the title change mean something. Look at how they squashed Sheamus after he was so hot, only to start pushing him again.

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by Danyon Rome on May 4, 2011 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This sums things up nicely.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on May 4, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can’t really agree with the Christian bashing at all, I think he’s one of the better guys they have right now and he’s a decent in-ring performer. Sure I guess we could go back to the Hulk Hogan days where a big lug with 4 piss poor moves could hold the belt for years on end fighting other big lugs but why would anyone want to see that now? Of course I also think Randy Orton is pretty sub-par too, he’s playing stone cold but with no charisma or personality at all, what’s the point? They pretty much just evicerated Christian as a potential main eventer with this so who on Smackdown is Orton going to fight now? Why didn’t they at least build a storyline around Orton vs Christian and try to make something out of the belt change? For a company so lacking in headlining name stars they sure don’t seem to be trying to actually build up any new ones. You talk about how you hate “hotshotting” the belt but that is exactly what they did here taking it off Christian this fast.

Constantly switching the belt is a bad idea but they don’t need to pull a Hogan with it (hell when did Hogan even fight on tv?). The business has changed and its not going to be able to go back to the pre-live weekly show days now, belts have to be defended more often and there needs to be a bigger talent pool of potential contenders. As far as Sting taking the title off Hardy, hell someone had to do it. Anyone was a better choice than Hardy, the fact that TNA put a belt on him to start with was the travesty there.

by who me on May 4, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Christian steal...

Your girlfriend or something?

Geez, how can ONE person be wrong about so MANY things?

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by Sergio Hernandez on May 4, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i agree with everything in this

2 day title runs "that arent made by bob backlund) lower the value of a belt

by theroosevelts on May 4, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

There are alternatives

Let me start by saying I am a HUGE Christian fan and was ecstatic to see him win the title. Last night’s blow up about the news of what happened at Smackdown shows two things. 1) WWE makes poor booking decisions more often than we would like to see 2) The “IWC” things they are much more important than they are.

I would rather have Christian run with the title for a while before Orton wins the title, but honestly it makes business sense, he is after all, Randy freakin’ Orton. Also, it is possible (not probable) that WWE uses this to make Christian an even more sympathetic character and he gets even more over with the crowd, making him stronger in the future and an even more momentous occassion if he were to ever win the title again.

If people are that upset with WWE and TNA there are alternatives that are easy to access. NWA Hollywood has all their episodes online and feature great indy talent such as Austin Aries, Colt Cabana, Adam Pearce and Scorpio Sky just to name a few. If that still isn’t your cup of tea, wrestling DVDs are just a click away in this day and age.

by 1BuckShort on May 4, 2011 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

There is probably a small local promotion wherever you live. Here in Western New York I have gone to see Empire State Wresting several times and they put on an excellent show. A ticket costs a quarter of what a WWE ticket costs, but it is just as entertaining in my opinion. The wrestlers are mostly local guys who are almost certainly working another full-time job, and perform because they love it.

by Finian1 on May 5, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Christian

For starters, who knows the most & has made the most money booking wrestling shows? Vince… clearly.. no one is even close. I think he knows the direction of his company better than we do. That said.. everyone wants to talk about poor Christian, what about Alberto… he is far superior than his Canadian opponents.. both Christian & Edge. And I’m not just talking WWe Style matches, I’m talking his whole career. He was booked to win the belt the last few shows… and then of course Edge decides to retire, but says, I’ll work Mania if you let Christian win the belt after me.. so promise was made & kept. Alberto gets screwed by backstage politics.. and now is on Raw… Alberto should have won at Extreme Rules.. and would have had a tremendous feud w/ Orton. Why not do Christian v Orton?? They didn’t want 2 faces going against each other in a feud. That much is clear. They don’t want to risk having one of their faces getting booed because they are thin on faces any way. Again, Vince knows his reasons.. its his company.. and he knew that hack Christian couldn’t carry Orton’s jock let alone the WHT.

by Rawuncutnxrated666 on May 4, 2011 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Where are you getting this bit about it being a deal that Edge would work Wrestlemania if they would give Christian the title? Are you saying that Edge risked the ability to walk as a political move to put a belt on his friend that he would hold for all of 2 days?

by who me on May 4, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This isn't about Christian

Del Rio is another guy I would have like to see get a push. I like Christian, Del Rio, Sheamus, and a bunch of other guys. There is no suspense to Cena and Orton winning all the time. When is the last time either of those guys lost a match clean. They made CM Punk look like garbage against Orton. We all know Punk is talented. He is a good worker and really good on the mic. Vince is so smart, I’m sure he wouldn’t do that. Now, this isn’t meant to say push one guy or another. I am saying they have to build new stars. I can’t believe the only thing you are taking from this is about Christian. There is a lot wrong with wrestling today. I only named a few.

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Who better than Danyon?

by Danyon Rome on May 4, 2011 6:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

get a push?

they are pushing him hard, and deservedly so he is a 10. thy just havent put the belt on him yet

by theroosevelts on May 5, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a returned fan of wrestling, and someone who thoroughly enjoyed Extreme Rules, and Christian’s ladder match against Del Rio, it’s utterly disappointing that he lost the title immediately after winning it.

I had popped my head in on some shows over the past couple of years, and it’s always the same thing. Cena or Orton with, or attempting to regain, a title. It’s the same old bit, the only differences are the guys they’re facing or feuding with. Christian wouldn’t have held the title long, obviously, Christian has never grown into even a solid B-level superstar, in my opinion. I like the guy, and was happy to see him win the title and all, but obviously they’d not keep the strap on him long. That said, why does it HAVE to be Orton? There’s a locker room full of guys who had been busting their asses on Smackdown, Orton’s second match on the show and he takes the title?

Orton would obviously be a contender quickly, but coming out on top of the feud with CM Punk and then taking the title from Christian so quickly…I agree…it devalues the title. I would have rather seen Mark Henry tear through Christian and take the title, and have a little run where he dominates guys for a while, THEN have Orton take it. Or something. Anything. I just feel like there’s no good reason to strip a guy of a title so quickly.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on May 4, 2011 7:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Umm

All these times of peaking your head in, no one bitched about Edge having the belt 10 times. Cena just got to 10 & hasn’t had it in 9 months… Orton is even longer & just got to 8. So all those wanting to bash Cena/ Orton.. everyone loves Edge though, right? No one hammered on Jericho or Batista.. so your arguments lack merit. Clearly you are biased as well.. and just being a fan boy.

by Rawuncutnxrated666 on May 4, 2011 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

well the reason for that is this

edge does not suck we like watching edge and it sold well. cena gives you the same match every time and overtime it sucks balls, and orton nobody likes unless he is doing his legend killer heel thing. we dont hate them because they have the belt so many times, we hate them because we generally DON’T LIKE THEM

by theroosevelts on May 5, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thankfully you don't spend a lot of time

on wrestling message boards. People complain all the time about guys being on top forever, no matter how good they are in the ring. WWE has always given people too much of a good or thing AND too much of a bad thing.

They are terrible at making new stars and the buys and ratings bare that out. Their highest draw in years comes from a guy from the past (The Rock) coming back, had he not been involved we wouldn’t be looking at those numbers. They won’t come close again until next years show either.

by Anthony Steven Lewis on May 6, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh...

Chikara. There. Problem Solved

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by y2jayjk on May 5, 2011 1:15 AM EDT reply actions  

@ Daynon

I agree there are some things wrong w/ the business. But Orton & Cena make the most money.. shows, merch, PPV, DVD’s… they know who their stars are & how to keep the spotlight on them. Hogan had people fed to him constantly, they never hotshotted the belt around. They booked themselves in a pinch.. and they went w/ the people getting a brand new champ at ER… but they were smart, Christian is never going to be a major player… he’s just not going to be that guy.. he doesn’t have a look, he has no charisma.. he’s dull and that’s being nice. He cannot move up on the face side.. now, Del Rio.. they were smart not to book him losing the belt in 1 day.. they are keeping him strong & are keeping him & Cena apart.. to build them up to a PPV probably at Surv Series. CM Punk is supposed to be leaving according to this site. Jericho & Batista are on their way back.. both are top heels.. I like Sheamus & Swagger, but they were transition champs and have to continue to go up. See, long story short, The old ways of holding a belt for a year is now made of how many times you hold it. There are tiers, 1-3, minor champs.. I lvoe Punk, Swagger, Sheamus…. don’t like Rey or Kane.. Big Show.. but these are guys that are on the low rung.. then you have 4-7.. Batista, Jericho.. Taker.. that’s about it anymore.. then 8+… Cena, Orton, HHH… and those guys are the equivalent of Bruno, Hogan, Flair old Flair.. Its not a perfect theory but that’s my thought process. Christian getting it as 2 issues… booking themselves into it & the whole Edge making a power play… and also using the emotional feelings of what happened w/ Edge & this being his boy & knowing Edge was going to interfere to keep Del Rio from winning it. The original plan was Del Rio wins Mania, Miz has it.. then they swap brands in June. Del Rio has been screwed more than anyone in this. So now he’s on a show that Cena promises to hold the belt till next April. Which is good for the title.. Miz held it & ran w/ it for a long while.. did a great job… but they never wanted him to be champ.. they sucked it dry & finally got what they want. Edge had it for a while.. the title didn’t get swapped around at all. Mania had no title changes.. ER had almost all face wins.. if you don’t count the Cole match, then no heel wins..

by Rawuncutnxrated666 on May 5, 2011 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I am glad you agree.

But you are still not reading what I am saying. This isn’t about Christian. This is about short sighted booking. A few months back, Nexus made Cena “retire”. Did Cena even miss one show? No, he didn’t. I have wrestlers that I like but, I am not saying anyone on particular needs to have the strap.

Now our site did report that Punk has not signed a contract, but not where did it say he wouldn’t. It is still for him and WWE to decide. I know WWE knows who their stars are, that isn’t the question. Wouldn’t a more thought out approach, where a challenger says “I gotta win the title. It means everything to me.” be more effective. Build up suspense for the title match.

WWE is the best promotion going right now, but they have their flaws. A guy like Daniel Bryan, who can have great matches, is being over looked. The Diva’s division has been garbage. They always a 2 minute match on RAW that doesn’t elevate anyone. At least now hopefully they will use Kharma right.

Look if you think that everything is good in WWE then OK. If The Rock hadn’t come back I’d hate to see Wrestlemania’s buy rate. They have lost a lot of starts and they need to build new ones. I love wrestling, I have since I was a child. It’s cool that you liked Orton winning the title. let’s talk about some of the many other things that are so frustrating. That make wrestling look like a joke to main stream. If you can’t see it, then that’s on you.

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by Danyon Rome on May 5, 2011 7:40 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Damn, nobody rec'd this article?

So true. I can’t believe Christian is giving up the title. Out of all the WWE stars on the roster, Christian has paid his dues and more and should be rewarded for his actions. Holding the title for a “couple” of nights is not good enough. Its annoying to watch happen repeatedly. Its incredible. The WWE has not been pushing its younger stars or giving stars of the old guard their glory. I’ll be watching Smackdown this Friday to see what happens.

The Michael Cole angle is tired. He yells through every promo and even stumbles through his comments of matches. I’m over that angle. I almost always mute his part of the show.

I don’t even watch TNA, but I might take peek this week to see what’s going on. They are a mess though.

by E-ROC on May 5, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Whether he's well liked or not

You do not give someone a title just to have them lose it 2 days later. If that’s going to happen, just give the title to someone else. Sure, I like Christian so I’m a little more angry than I probably should be, but it doesn’t matter who it is, you don’t pull that. It’s a slap in the face.

If they didn’t feel comfortable with him keeping it long term, let him take it to the next PPV which is what? 2 weeks away?

I hope the actual show isn’t as bad as everything I’ve read and that there is a true angle being built out about this, but my fear is that he’s going right back to the midcard. Which, maybe he’s best there, but after a 2 day run, how will anyone know otherwise?

by noobmaster on May 5, 2011 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

 Bob Backlund and even the great Bret Hart have been “transitional” champions. Guys have won and lost it on the same PPV (!) The issue here is that there doesn’t seem to be a larger reason behind the decision other than put the belts on the (arguably) most popular guys, and for all of the WWEs embracing of soap opera storytelling there are no long term storylines and weak payoffs. IMO.

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by theloupgaroukid on May 5, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

@Danyon

1st, sorry for misspelling your name before. I really should had triple checked that.. no disrespect.. I say that, because I do use misspelling of people’s names.. such as Stunker.. to degrade certain performers & such. 2nd… and I will write later.. but NONONONONONO.. no way do I think WWe doesn’t have its flaws. But this is all coming from Christian having the belt & losing it in 2days.. and I am totally fine with that. Regardless of how its booked.. lol.. I just hate Christian.. and I don’t care if he’s pinned for the belt by Hornswoggle or the ghost of some 3rd rate wrestler no one ever heard of. So, this case wasn’t the best..admittedly for me to start in on. Now, if you want to discuss any other bookings, I’m down.. I’m sure we agree more than you know. I will say that I think RoH is the best bookers in the biz.. and I can back my feelings up on that if anyone wants to go “toe to toe” lol.. on that. I think TnA is killing the biz & if RoH had half the cash.. OR not and.. but OR the tv deal on Spike… they would eventually pull huge numbers.. and after at least 5 years.. would be up there w/ WWe in ratings… not cash though.. lets face it.. Vince is a money man.. he’s self made.. kind of, on the broken backs of those who performed for him. When I was in business school, I used the WWE model for all my papers & such. I got very deep into WWE’s financials, old info, business plans.. things like that.. I cannot give enough props to that man. I also see wrestling as cyclic as a lot of life & business is… almost like a sine graph… waves & all that.. And I foresee one day when the attitude era returns.. w/ HHH & Steph as the mega evil heels ala Vince. So, I will be willing to discuss this more.. just give me some time to get back on here.

by Rawuncutnxrated666 on May 5, 2011 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Regardless of how its booked.. lol.. I just hate Christian.. and I don’t care if he’s pinned for the belt by Hornswoggle or the ghost of some 3rd rate wrestler no one ever heard of. So, this case wasn’t the best..admittedly for me to start in on.

In the end it had nothing to do with Christian as apparently they had planned to do this to Alberto Del Rio. The booking crap would of been the same regardless of who had won.

According to Dave Meltzer, the original plan for Extreme Rules was for Alberto Del Rio to win the World Title and then lose it to Randy Orton on Smackdown two days later. The change was made to Christian either the day before or the morning of the show.

http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/18453

by who me on May 6, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

part of the problem I see is all the talking and lack of wrestling

I mean, watch a 2-hour RAW show and you get maybe 25 minutes of actual in-ring action.

By all that's holy, I am going to attend the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp.

by VegasCubFan on May 8, 2011 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

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