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WWE Raw last night (Dec. 5) was better than it's getting credit for

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Editors note: This is a well written FanPost and one that presents the flip side of the argument that Raw last night was booked poorly. Promoted to the front by CagesideSeats.com.

Watching Raw last night (Dec. 5, 2011), I was thoroughly enjoying myself and saw a lot come together. I was shocked when I came on this site, read the live reactions and comments and saw the level of disdain most seemed to feel for the booking. Sure there were plenty of overused tropes, and maybe dissecting the show bit by bit may make it look like a disjointed mess; but if you look at the big picture, the show laid the groundwork for everything the fans, and the so-called Internet Wrestling Community (IWC) especially, have claimed they've wanted.

First, I'll group the opening promo and the contract signing at the end of the show together, as they pretty much were meant to further the same story. The segment foremost accomplished the much-needed task of setting up a RAW main event for the TLC pay-per-view (PPV) in two short weeks. Most people predicted a more-than-two man encounter taking place, as a lot of the main event players are in stand-still, and we got what should at least be a decent match considering all the talent involved.

However, it also laid down future plans for everyone else. Let's break it down:

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CM Punk and the Miz:

People have been expecting these two to feud for the belt, especially after Miz's new heel schtick of ruthlessly taking out superstars. They're paired together in the main event at the next PPV and the right finish could carry the title picture through Elimination Chamber in February. All they need is for Del Rio to be the one who causes Punk to win and Miz calls out Punk saying that he would take him out in a one-on-one match. The fighting babyface champion that he is, Punk will accept and the two will feud through the Royal Rumble until their blow-off match at the February PPV. Afterwards, Miz can feud with a returning R-Truth and Punk will face the winner of the typical number one contender's chamber, which will feature the men below.

Dolph Ziggler and John Cena:

This is where the fans get two things they've been incessantly clamoring for in previous weeks and months: Zack Ryder as U.S. champion and Dolph Ziggler elevated to the main event scene. As a result of the booking last night, John Cena is out of the WWE Title picture and Ziggler is defending his title against Ryder at TLC. The plans are laid for Ryder to finally win the title, getting elevated to his rightful place, and Ziggler can move on to better things. The seeds were brilliantly laid as "The Showoff" can easily turn his focus on Cena, claiming Ryder just got lucky but Ziggler realizes the U.S. Title was beneath him anyway and he's out to make some noise at the expense of perennial main-eventer and the man who was responsible for getting Ryder his shot in the first place. This can lead to a feud between the two that elevates Ziggler and keeps Cena warm till Wrestlemania. They can fight at the Rumble and then both be competitor's in the Contender's Chamber, which Ziggler can win and now him, Punk, and Cena are set for Wrestlemania.

Alberto Del Rio and (possibly) HHH and Nash:

Finally out of the title-picture he hasn't left for months after losing at TLC, they're are a number of options. One in particular is to finally wrap-up the conspiracy storyline. After what will surely be an atrocity at TLC in which Nash is hopefully sent packing, HHH can move on to finding out who conspired with John Lauranitus against him. That man: Alberto Del Rio. And hopefully we're just rid of Nash for good.

The Raw/Smackdown matches:

While there's been complaining about the booking of the inter-brand matches, they all served their purpose. Miz got into the title picture, the Orton vs Barrett feud continues, Del Rio looked strong against an injured Bryan, an injured Henry was beaten by Ryder and Cena combined, and Sheamus went over as a babyface. All's well that ends well.

And there you have it.

Though breaking down the show into its individual parts may make it appear to be much worse than it is, overall it furthered the agenda of nearly every main-event superstar on Raw and laid the ground-work to keep the scene going through Wrestlemania. The fans look like their finally getting what they've wanted and should be happy as such.

Raw got a D+ from Cageside Cheif Geno, but I'm giving it a solid A-/B+ and that could easily become an A in retrospect, if everything is handled correctly, of course.

The FanPosts are solely the subjective opinions of Cageside Seats readers and do not necessarily reflect the views of Cageside Seats editors or staff.

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The reason the booking was so bad last night

is because they could have accomplished all this without going about it the way they did with constant run-ins and everyone looking like a complete dork along the way.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Dec 6, 2011 7:01 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

While I agree with the run-ins

everybody is acting like everything was nonsensical and nothing accomplished. Sure it might not have been handled the best possible way but it needs to be acknowledge how much they did get done.

by James Carlucci on Dec 6, 2011 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I can dig that.

When I get a minute, I’ll probably edit this and promote it to the front page to make sure we present both sides of the coin.

Good post!

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Dec 6, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I personally thought this was the best RAW that's been on in weeks, possibly even months

When people said it sucked, I was genuinely surprised. Some of the booking was eyebrow raising, I will agree, but the show had a lot of wrestling, pushed new stories, and didn’t have too much pointless “dead” time.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 6, 2011 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

That's how I felt too.

Glad to see somebody agrees with me.

by James Carlucci on Dec 6, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Dec 7, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

It was an okay Raw, but great?

Look, I loved the live Smackdown. So maybe my tastes are just all out of whack. But it was okay at best, and a complete step down from the last few weeks. The wrestling was short and choppy, opening and closing segments a waste if time, and nothing was forward to any great degree.

My problem with your argument is that you’re are fantasy booking. You cannot look at a show and say “well look what they could do.” it’s about what they did. No match really raised anyone’s stock. Hell, they buried Danielson, Henry, and arguably Orton. there’s your entire B-show down the hole right there. You cannot retroactively grade something. It is what it is. And last nights Raw was a solid show with glaring flaws but is held afloat by its high points. Would I love to see Ziggler/Cena? Oh god fuck and yes. I think that would be perfect for both men. But it hasn’t happened, and we can’t assume it will happen.

I think the grading is way to harsh on the site, but at least it’s based in logic. Sometimes very cynical logic, but I understand where it is coming from. The logic used here is that you liked the show because you bought the crap explanation WWE is selling, and are imagining where they can take it. I’ll say this a thousand times, kayfabe is not an excuse for lazy booking.

by C. J. Bradford on Dec 6, 2011 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

Agree to disagree.

While I’ll agree some of it is fantasy-booking, especially the part with Del Rio, a lot of it is based on inside rumors and what has happened.

First off, I agree Smackdown wasn’t represented as well as it could’ve been but storyline wise Danielson and Henry were both injured. Danielson was beat by a former WWE champ and Henry was beaten 2-on-1. Orton didn’t look weak, just dumb.

Rumors have been going on for a while about Punk/Miz, they’re in a match together, Del Rio must be moving on and Miz just got a big heel push. It’s prospective yes, but based in industry information and what has already happened.

For Ziggler/Cena my actual prediction of how it will go down may be fantasy booking, but once again its based on what has happened. Ryder is extremely over and has been expected to get the title for months. Ziggler has been expected to move on and the WWE wouldn’t have teased him going for the title if they didn’t have these plans for him. Ryder has a title shot and Cena is the direct reason for that. Him calling him out is fantasy booking, but the matches necessary to cause this and the reasoning behind it as already happened.

If you’re saying I based my rating on what the company has produced, you’d be right and I wonder what else you would base on a rating of the product?

by James Carlucci on Dec 6, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Fai nuff

Lord knows we need someone to counter some of the criticisms here, so I respect your POV. But as a counter-counter (…-counter?)

Danielson was beat wicked quick by a crappy champ. No he didn’t lose to Santino, and he was hurt, so I do understand it. Henry wasn’t really beat 2 on 1. Two guys happened to be in the ring at the same time, but they weren’t both attacking him. And he is supposed to be a bad ass mother fucker, so he should have been able to handle it. And stupid is close enough to weak. If it was just one of those things, it wouldn’t be the biggest of deals. But all three together just kinda looked bad.

Rumors don’t count as making a show better or worse. You gotta base the show on the show. Miz facing Punk does make sense, as does Ziggler/Cena. But how it all went down was kinda blah. Miz is being pushed as the destroyer of careers with Truth and Morrison, but he backed into contendership. Ryder is always as over as possible, so why have Cena bring him down? I don’t think they need this whole convoluted setup to have Ziggler face Cena.

And my point about the rating is that yes, everything you say makes sense in the world of WWE. But just because it makes sense in kayfabe doesn’t mean it’s smart. I understand why they did what they did, I just think they could have done it in a smoother way.

by C. J. Bradford on Dec 6, 2011 11:05 PM EST reply actions  

But its the WWE...

Well you’re right in that they didn’t look great, but they got something accomplished. Having 2 matches a week sometimes guys are just gonna look bad.

Personally, I liked the way it was set up. And for me it wasn’t that I read the rumors afterwards, but as I was watching the show I was seeing my expectations fulfilled, seeing the seeds for new feuds being planted and was really interested and wanted to see what happened next. All of this directly correlated to how much I was enjoying the show, and I based my rating on how much I enjoyed it.

And considering how everyone was heading in different direction, I do think it was very smart the way everything was brought together. Sure it had some inherent pro-wrestling flaws but all things considered I was very pleased, very entertained and couldn’t wait to talk about it. What more can you ask for?

by James Carlucci on Dec 6, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with all that

But that’s a minimum isn’t it? You are giving the show an A. A doesn’t mean you enjoyed it, it means that you absolutely loved it and it was one of the best shows of the year. I guess our difference in opinions isn’t actually based on the show and our reactions, but our definitions of grades. I liked the show. I enjoyed it. It was okay. But the last few weeks were better. If this was an A, what were those? If there are any flaws, that bumps it down. A C is average. I felt it was a slightly above average show. You feel like it was a solid above average show. Minor difference, unless I’m completely putting words in your mouth. If that’s the case, then we’re just grading in different scales

by C. J. Bradford on Dec 7, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Grading

I gave it a B+/A- which means it wasn’t best of the year, but it was up there and very good and very enjoyable. Aside from the CM Punk shoot from the summer, I don’t remember another Raw from this year that made we want to go and talk about it as much. I’ve been reading Cageside for months and this is the only time I felt compelled to argue for how enjoyable a show was. That’s why it got that grade.

And as far as the “retrospective A”, I meant that if the WWE capitalizes on everything that they laid out here, this episode deserves an A just because it actually was brilliant and not just “fantasy booking” wise.

by James Carlucci on Dec 7, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

While I fall on the side of the booking being godawful on this particular episode, I was entertained by the show. This isn’t on my list of worst Raw’s of the year. There have been plenty of other shows that were just 100% snoozefests. And that episode where the wrestlers walked out on HHH was a huge trainwreck as well. This episode kept me interested, but there were too many illogical things going on like Cena giving up a WWE Title shot and Orton being surprised that he was counted out, etc.

And honestly, I probably would have complained about whatever match they set up with for Punk since there just isn’t enough time to set up a meaingful story heading into next week’s PPV.

by Kanenite on Dec 6, 2011 11:46 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry.. I appreciate one’s opinions but let me riddle you this.. Would you pay to see this live? Only one match (diva’s in 60seconds) that had a clean finish? Almost all the matches were entirely too short as well. I understand why they did what they did.. no one is disputing that.. but come on.. no one on their road to TLC actually EARNED a victory.

by Rawuncutnxrated on Dec 7, 2011 3:32 AM EST reply actions  

No comment on Vicky

But yes i would have paid money. Saw all the top superstars in action and was very interested by both beginning/ending promos. I would’ve been interested in the entire show except for the Diva’s match (but really we can only hope for so much). And they may not have “earned” a victory but pretty much all the matches fit with the characters storylines. And that’s what matters is that I’m entertained.

by James Carlucci on Dec 7, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

On a side note...

Doesn’t Vicky look wonderful.

I think I spell her name differently each week. Wonder when her little baby is going to start beating asses in the lady’s division?

by Rawuncutnxrated on Dec 7, 2011 3:57 AM EST reply actions  

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