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WWE's Problem Isn't CM Punk

I'm one of the more negative wrestling fans people will come across, I've made my visceral hatred of Mark Henry, Kane, and the Miz known in my comments and fanposts, as a result, I bet many would expect me to easily turn on CM Punk at this point seeing as how no one on Earth gives a shit about his next PPV match, and, as many have said, Punk is getting "too cool for school." What's the point in preaching about change when things are still the same as they ever were, Punk? Why did you go from taking on John Cena and utterly burying WWE's shoddy business practices to an impotent feud with Johnny Ace and remarks about WWE being terrible that, while true, don't help anybody, and will actively get people to turn off their TV's, our dear Second City Savior?

It would be easy to begrudge Punk for this, but the fact is, Punk is not the WWE's new problem, as easy as that would be to think. Punk is a fantastic worker despite being a crappy athlete. Punk is fantastic on the mic, even though his remarks are hurtful towards certain people, he actually sounds like a human being when he speaks, not an F-List actor like Miz. Punk looks distinctive from the other guys on the roster. Most importantly, Punk's reactions are uniform throughout the crowd as opposed to the constant smattering of boos Cena gets despite being the company guy.

Punk is not my favorite guy currently under a full time WWE contract, I'm a far bigger fan of Bryan Danielson, and of the part time guys, I'm a bigger fan of Triple H and Undertaker than I am of Punk, but Punk did something this year that no one's been able to do in WWE since Batista's huge push in 2005, he became a star, and to suggest that WWE's problem is who they push to be a star simply isn't true. Punk being a star is one of the best things WWE could have happen.

The real problem with WWE isn't Punk, it's almost everyone and everything else. Despite the fact that WWE elevated Punk, he has almost no one to face in a match.

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That might seem a drastic statement, but think about it like this: Punk recently had a PPV match with Alberto Del Rio, one of the best athletes and workers in the company, on the second biggest WWE show of the year, and nobody cared. If two of a companies best guys are facing, everybody should care, and the fact that no one did indicates something went very wrong.

Though it wasn't because Punk had already won the title, plenty of greats have had career defining moments by winning their upteenth title. Many consider Ric Flair's greatest moment to be when he won his 12th title from Vader at Starrcade '93, but the moment was great not because Ric Flair won the title, but because he won the title from Vader. For damn near a year, Vader had run roughshot over WCW without comeuppance. Sure, Vader cheated constantly thanks to the help of manager Harley Race, but it kept him from getting his due nonetheless. Vader was every bit the star Ric Flair was back in 1993, and though even the densest mark could probably tell you that Flair was winning at Starrcade '93, it didn't matter that they knew Flair would win, it mattered because they wanted Flair to win.

The same thing happened to WWE in 2005 at Wrestlemania 21 when John Cena faced JBL, and Batista faced Triple H, it didn't matter that just short of everyone knew the matches would be awful, what mattered was that JBL and Triple H had been unrepentant dicks with no comeuppance whatsoever for what felt like centuries, and people wanted to see those assholes kicked off their thrones, tarred and feathered through the streets, and buried in a shallow grave on their way down. It was the most predictable pair of matches WWE has ever booked, but at the same time, the buyrate for Wrestlemania 21 was one of the best buyrates any WWE PPV has ever done, doing double what the years previous event, Wresltemania XX, did in total despite the fact that Wrestlemania XX easily had the superior match booked to headline the event.

Hell, from a technical standpoint, Del Rio vs. Punk at Survivor Series was superior to JBL/Cena and Hunter/Batista in every way, but no one cared because as opposed to Triple H and JBL escaping comeuppance for eons, Del Rio got humiliated at just about every TV show and PPV he was featured on throughout 2011. Del Rio had already lost clean to Edge, lost clean to Christian, won the title in a cheap MitB cash in, tapped clean to Cena, and lost clean to Punk on free TV. There's no reason to care about seeing someone get their comeuppance when you've already seen it happen half a dozen times this year alone.

Punk wasn't the problem with any of this, the problem was that even though WWE did the right thing and elevated Punk, until they elevate some heels for Punk to tackle, and give said heels consistent pushes before they face Punk, nobody will care about seeing those matches. The only heels WWE has given a steady push in the past decade have all been longtime veterans, and most of those guys are now retired, dead, or completely awful.

Don't blame Punk for WWE not giving a steady push to a potential adversary, blame Vince McMahon for not having the balls to give a steady push to a fresh heel.

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Bingo. Aside from John Cena, Punk doesn’t have a great selection of potential opponents at the moment until WWE truly elevates some of these guys. The Del Rio title reigns were a complete failure.

by Kanenite on Dec 6, 2011 7:19 PM EST reply actions  

MEH

remember when cena was a good worker and used to cut good promos?

punk is going that way lightspeed

we are gettin THE SAME OLD SHIT FROM A NEW GUY, punk is the new randy orton, the new john cena, the new triple h, the new untouchable super hyped main eventer and lets face it, it sucks the same

call things by their right name, if a guy is being booked in a lame and boring way, hes boring, period

by chaggo on Dec 6, 2011 8:52 PM EST reply actions  

by the way

im dont want to debate with you, its just a comment, just so you know and dont waste your time answering

by chaggo on Dec 6, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Cena was an awful worker up until late 2006.

Cena had one good match against Undertaker, and one good match against Kurt Angle, but he stunk up the building every other time he was in a match. Cena had a bad match in 2003 with Chris Benoit for god sakes.

Cena had a lot of charisma and unlimited muscles, and that’s the only reason he got pushed to the top. Saying that Cena was anything other than awful in the ring up until late 2006 is flat out ignorant of history.

by *Asterisk* on Dec 6, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I personally think

CM Punk has no clear direction, if you will, and that has to do with the other people on the roster (in terms of the writers writing scripts). I wasn’t too big of a fan of the brief CM Punk-HHH feud, but it made sense and gave Punk an adversary that “was on the same level he was on”. They finished that, and his character has kind of become listless as a result. As you say, it’s not his fault, per se, but the fault of the WWE for having nobody that can oppose him that make people get into it.

I think it’s kind of an impossible situation, because there isn’t anybody on the roster that would allow him to recapture the momentum that he had leading up to and post Money in the Bank. Personally, I think they could if they formed more of a faction of heel wrestlers around John Laurenitis that was more “vocal” in screwing Punk over. Then he gets a lot of his anti-authority air back, and the people he’s feuding with become greater than the sum of their individual parts- similar to Stone Cold and Vince McMahon and the Corporation (though, I think the guys they had in the Corporation had a lot more sum total talent than similar mid-to upper level heels that are on the roster now).

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 6, 2011 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

There are plenty of people WWE could have CM Punk fight that would be a good foil for him.

The problem is, all these guys have either had their heat annihilated (Del Rio, Barrett, Sheamus, Swagger, Ziggler), or are occupied with other matters (Undertaker, Randy Orton, John Cena, Triple H).

All that can be hoped for is that WWE will give a heel a consistent push so that he can be a foil for Punk, but that will take time. Time is something I’m more than willing to give Punk, because Punk is fantastic on the mic and fantastic on the ring, I’ll let him have whatever he needs.

by *Asterisk* on Dec 6, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Of those guys, I really only consider 'realistic' enemies

Undertaker and Orton. Del Rio, Cena, and HHH, I need to cross off because it’s “been there, done that” too soon. Barrett, Shamus, and Swagger, I don’t think any of them are good fits as they are now- Barrett is still too low on the totem pole, I don’t see how a realistic Shamus-Punk feud might start, and Swagger has been pushed more or less as a buffoon for months now. Ziggler, I’m on the fence about. The Punk-Ziggler match last week was pretty good. Ziggler has the in-ring skills and the mic skills to make a good feud. I think he’s kind of in the same territory as Barrett right now- just not quite at a high enough level. Maybe if he drops the US Title, he’ll be written into the main event level happenings a little more, and he will fit in the near future.

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 6, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

You're missing the point of my post.

I said that Del Rio, Barrett, Sheamus, Swagger, and Ziggler only have the potential to be viable options if WWE puts some heat back on them. If they were to run a program between Punk and any of those guys now, the match would have no heat, and the buyrate would suck, even though all the matches would be pretty good from a technical perspective.

Triple H and Punk would work well, Punk has yet to beat Hunter, and their last match was really good. Triple H is also one of the few guys who people would believe has a chance at taking Punk’s title, and for that reason alone he’s a good opponent. As long as their next match is at ‘Mania or Summeslam, it’ll be a fine feud.

by *Asterisk* on Dec 7, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I can agree with the premise that there is a general lack of heel heat in the WWE. It seems no one is really despised by the fans. Miz & Truth had a brief flash of it after HIAC, but it didn’t last. Henry had/has some for hurting people, but I think that is fading as well as Henry looks more vulnerable. But for the most part, most heels are made to look like buffoons or simply not good enough to compete with the top faces.

So what would it take to get mega-heat? A good ol’ fashioned beatdown of a helpless sacrificial lamb? For a second I thought Sheamus was going to curb-stomp Hornswoggle following the battle royal. Would that have worked? Would a fan-insulting Jericho’s smug “the best at what I do” act build a credible program with “best int he world” Punk?

What other options are there? I don’t pretend to be king booker (HA!), so let’s get creative.

by King Oskar on Dec 7, 2011 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

It really wouldn't take much effort to give a heel mega heat.

All WWE would need to do is the same thing they did every other time a wrestling organization has ever gotten heat on a heel. Have the heel avoid comeuppance for several months, put the heel against the face you want to get over, and either give the heel his comeuppance, or put the heel over so that you can use said heel to build another major babyface.

It’d be as simple as not having Alberto Del Rio job out on his PPV and TV matches this year until he faced the next huge face they wanted to get over, like Sheamus, or even use Del Rio to pump up an old standby for a feel good ending on a big show, like Orton. The fact that WWE had Del Rio job to Edge in the opening match at Wrestlemania even though they knew it’d likely be Edge’s last match shows how little they care about their future.

by *Asterisk* on Dec 7, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I get that, but you’ve said many times yourself that [paraphrasing] worthwhile guys are buried so deep it will take a year or two to dig them out. So doesn’t stand to reason that to starting, or at least accelerating, that process requires some type of catalyst?

by King Oskar on Dec 8, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

There's almost never an automatic catalyst.

But just because it would take a year or two to reestablish guys like Jack Swagger, Wade Barrett, Sheamus, Alberto Del Rio, and Dolph Ziggler doesn’t mean it isn’t worth every second of investment. If it were as simple as one thing they could do to get automatic heat, WWE PPV’s wouldn’t be getting such terrible buyrates.

by *Asterisk* on Dec 8, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Good post Asterisk

I agree and am writing a post with similar themes that should be up within the hour. I pretty much agree with you. I like Ziggler as a worker, but WWE is giving Punk nothing to work with. Aside from that, I think it would help if you made some of your sentences shorter in the beginning. It makes it seem incoherent, when in fact, your article is well thought out.

Good post

by BennyProfane on Dec 7, 2011 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

my picks are

let see what William regal can do vs punk old evil guy vs ego face.
or the miz vs punk heel you hate hey he doing his job right lol or jock heel swagger or ego vs ego ziggler

by 14fizzpatrick on Dec 7, 2011 7:38 PM EST reply actions  

As infuriating as some of your stuff is

Damn good writing, and a damn good point. The WWE is filled with mid carders and needs someone to step up. (one might argue that Henry is indeed receiving the exact heel push you are describing, but I understand the hatred there and we don’t have to get into it if you don’t wish). The only real option is have Punk sit around till Cena gets done with the Rock and let them go back at it. It was perfect for both of them. And serious heel push will need a damn long time to work. At least with Miz going after the strap now means it’ll be a short fued till we get someone good.

by C. J. Bradford on Dec 7, 2011 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

Well said on all counts.

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by Raker on Dec 9, 2011 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

Fresh #HEEL?

Two things I’m rooting for in the next 2 months: Dolph Ziggler losing the US Title, and Dolph Ziggler winning the 2012 Royal Rumble (and maybe a third; dumping Vicki Guerrero in the interim). He had a wonderful-yet-pointless feud with Edge just a year ago, and he’s more than ready now to carry a Wrestlemania feud with Punk now. He’s been stuck in a holding pattern for too long, and it’s time he replaces del Rio or Miz and one of the top heels on RAW.

by J.L. White on Dec 9, 2011 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

I'd love to see Ziggler have that oppurtunity, but now's not the time to put him in the 'Mania main event.

Ziggler’s too low on the totem pole to be taken seriously in that capacity, and as much as I would love to see the match, it would hurt him more than help him for it to happen like that now.

by *Asterisk* on Dec 10, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

He's a lot more ready than del Rio was last year.

This is how you make Top Carders: you throw them in the deep end and see if they swim or not. If there was anyone that I could trust to take a big push and prosper, it’s Dolph Ziggler.Why wait any longer?

by J.L. White on Dec 10, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

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