6 Things WWE Better Not Book for Wrestlemania XXVIII
While Wrestlemania season is still a long ways away, now we as wrestling fans loom on the far more titillating, yet agonizing, Wrestlemania speculation season. Most people take this time to fret over the matches they want to see booked, with little regard for weather or not the matches will actually happen. Every wrestling fan instincitvely knows not to expect HBK coming out of retirement for a 30 minute match with his protege "Daniel" Bryan Danielson, but dreams are often all the wrestling fan has for comfort.
That's not what this article is about.
Indeed while begging WWE to book your dream matches is more satisfying, the far more pragmatic option is to beg for certain matches to never see the light of day. With Wrestlemania looming closer, the seasoned fan can almost smell certain stinkers about to collide into what has the potential to be the best card of all time. Whatever comes to pass, WWE must never book the following atrocities on Wrestlemania XXVIII if they actually give a damn about repeated business, good taste, or not making their fans want to hang themselves the next morning. Here are 6 potential Wrestlemania matches that must never see the light of day, no matter how likely it is for WWE to book.
6. Anything involving Michael Cole
For some inexplicable reason, even though everyone hates Michael Cole as a commentator, there's still a vocal contingent that praises how great Cole would be as a manager, and even a contingent that actually wants to see Cole get his comeuppance in another wrestling match. While the latter sect has suffered a loss in numbers sometime after the second or third utter abortion of a Michael Cole match, there's still a few that want to see Cole booked in another angle so he can get his due, be it as a manager, or even in an actual match.
Out of all the things I've written on this list, WWE is most likely to actually book this angle, and it must never take place. Michael Cole gets a lot of boos from the crowd, but none of it matters because Cole has zero athletic ability. Despite spending 15 years calling matches, by the time of his match with Jerry Lawler, Cole still had zero sense of timing, and no clue how to generate anything resembling crowd heat. Cole had so little grace in the ring that he didn't even take a piledriver from the safest worker in the company, putting him several notches below Vicky Guerrero. Not to mention the absurd amount of time WWE wasted on promoting Cole last year when it would've been better suited on anything else.
At this point, I don't care if Cole gets booked in a prison shower match with JBL, nothing Cole can do would be worth even a second of time it would take to promote the feud or air the match. It's best to just pray he goes away forever.
Preferable Alternative: Coffin of "Melina" Morrison placed in the ring. Triple H walks down the isle wearing only a Sin Cara mask, spends 20 minutes fucking a mannequin.
5. Dolph Ziggler & Anybody vs. a Celebrity and Anybody
Vince McMahon loves booking celebrities for Wrestlemania, a celebrity even main evented Wrestlemania one year. As a result of this love, Vince likes to book knowledgable workers into celebrity matches to disguise the fact that the celebrity has zero training. Seeing as how there are now very few guys left in the company suited for such high levels of spoon-feeding, Ziggler looks to be Wrestlemania XXVIII's human sacrifice to the tabloid gods, and it will suck no matter how short the match is.
The worst part about this fixation is that the talented worker he books in the match is always better suited to being in an actual wrestling match with anyone or anything that had any wrestling training. Think about how awesome Wrestlemania XI would've been if Bam Bam Bigelow faced Undertaker instead of Lawrence Taylor, or how cool Wretlemania XXV would've been if Chris Jericho faced Ricky Steamboat in a singles match instead of having to deal with that Mickey Rourke nonsense.
Hopefully Rocky will provide enough stroke to Vince's celebrity boner this year for this match to not be booked, but I'm not hopeful.
Preferable Alternative: In order to bring in the Japanese market, Dolph Ziggler vs. JAPANESE SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT SENSATION YOSHIHIKO
4. Cowardly Heel World Champion "Daniel" Bryan Danielson vs. Big Show
I thourghouly believe that Dragon could have a decent match with anyone who's ever been employeed in WWE, and Big Show's actually a great worker when he's in shape. Ordinarily a guy should be happy when their favorite wrestler looks to be a future WWE World Champion, so why would I hate this match?
Because it wouldn't be about Bryan Danielson, the rule breaking technical genius that took ROH by storm, it'd be about generic, dweeby cowardly heel "Daniel" Bryan, who won his meaningless title in yet another MitB cash in just so he could job in what will likely wind up the opening match on the card.
It's not the possibility that my favorite wrestler being booked to be an undeserving cowardly heel that riled me up though, what really bothers me is that Vince McMahon is yet again going to put a WWE world title on another guy he has zero intentions to push. I've hated a lot of guys who Vince McMahon gave a world title reign too, the Kane's, Sid's, and Mark Henry's of the world, but I'd still rather see a crappy wrestler get a push with their world title than seeing the best workers in the company win the gold only to be treated like utter jobbers throughout their entire reign. It's already happened with the Del Rio, Mysterio, and Dolph Ziggler reigns, and I'd rather Dragon just not be given the title at all than to watch another guy get treated like a dork when they have the world championship.
Preferable Alternative: Vince McMahon puts the title on a guy he actually wants to push. For the last day of his retirement tour, dye Nigel McGuinesses hair jet black, have him pretend to be Wade Barrett, set aside 30 minutes for a Wrestlemania match with Dragon.
3. Kane vs. Mark Henry
With the Henry/Big Show program's ugly conclusion looming, and Kane's return to the ring growing ever closer, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to connect where WWE is planning to go next. A lot of people are actually looking forward to this match because of their love of both men. Even after his awful title reign last year, Kane is still just as popular as ever.
I've made myself pretty clear on why I hate Mark Henry and Kane. Both guys are slow, immobile, overly protected due to Vince McMahon's big man fetish, and their matches are terrible. A Mark Henry/Kane match would be at least as bad as the Kane/Khali match from Wrestlemania 23, and I struggle to think of a match I want to see less that has any likelihood of happening in the future.
But that's not why I put this match on here, I hate both guys, but generally it's expected for even the best Wrestlemania's to have at least one or two terrible matches to serve as bathroom breaks. My real problem with this match would be that as much as I hate both guys, they still have credibility in the eyes of the fans, and seeing as how both guys have maybe a year left in their careers at most due to their size and age, it's imperative that they use the time they have left not just to make somebody look good, but to make them look good on what will quite possibly be the biggest wrestling PPV of all time. Somebody very talented could gain some credibility by beating a member of the WWE during its glory years, and what better way for Kane and Henry to go out than by helping somebody?
Preferable Alternative: Mark Henry turns face, Kane, Big Show, and Mark Henry team up to take on eight members of the Smackdown Roster and Republican Presidential Candidate Newt Gingritch, Heath Slater eats the pin in two minutes.
2. CM Punk vs. The Miz
It needs to be said now: Miz sucks as a wrestler.
I know that everyone automatically likes heels, especially heels who climbed from being the lowliest jobber on the roster to a main event player, and the fact that Miz's first title reign was booked so badly made a lot of people feel sorry for him, but Miz is awful, both in the ring and on the mic. Miz has no sense of timing, he moves like a man several weight classes above him, his offense is incredibly boring, he looks clumsy when he tries anything more basic than a neckbreaker variant, his promos all sound scripted, and Miz's Wrestlemania XXVII match with John Cena was so awful it made Hogan vs. Sid look like Hogan vs. Rock. In spite of this, Miz recently took out both R-Truth and John Morrison, and this might lead Vince McMahon to think of Miz as a viable contender to face Punk.
Out of all the matches I've put on this list, Punk vs. Miz has the lowest chance of actually happening. Triple H will likely make his Wrestlemania match a title match against Punk, and Miz's word against Triple H is the equivalent of a pigeon facing off against a honey-badger, but no chance is low enough for this potential atrocity. It needs to be said to anybody in WWE that this match must never be booked, and anyone who thinks otherwise should be strapped to the Clockwork Orange chair and forced to watch Cena vs. Miz on a loop.
Preferable Alternative: CM Punk cuts a 15 minute promo on a conversation between the Miz and God, Miz jobs in 30 seconds to Santino.
1. Undertaker vs. Wade Barrett
As of late, Wade Barrett has been on a winning streak, and even given regular promo time to excavate the remnants of his career. Seeing as how Barrett was heavily rumored to be Undertaker's opponent last year, WWE could theoretically book the match for this year instead as a bit of an apology to Barrett, and to give Undertaker a fresh opponent, but they really shouldn't.
I actually didn't put this match here because I think it'll be all that bad from a technical standpoint, Wade Barrett isn't that good, but he's servicable when the right wrestler gets in there to disguise his weaknesses, and Undertaker's more than good enough for that. The problem is, any match Undertaker has next will likely be his last, and as such, any guy he faces should be a huge deal. Wade Barrett actually was that guy after the Nexus formation, but after Summerslam 2010, Survivor Series 2010, TLC 2010, and Wrestlemania XXVII, anything resembling heat or importance has been stripped away from the guy who was once so hated he literally shook the arenas he worked in.
It's not Barrett's fault, in a better world, Undertaker/Barrett would be a huge deal, but we don't live in a better world, we live in Vince McMahon's world, and as such, must adapt to it.
Preferable Alternative: Undertaker uses his magic powers to travel back in time to Summerslam 2010, punches Vince McMahon in the mouth for being so fucking stupid.
Enough with the comedy bullshit, give us some actual alternatives:
As long as the guy who's booked to be Smackdown's champion is someone Vince McMahon actually intends to push, any match WWE books for the Smackdown world title would be fine unless it's one of the matches I mentioned above. Even Mark Henry vs. Sheamus, which would be absolutely awful in ring, would be acceptable as long as whoever wins the match gets a consistent push before and after the match.
I think it'd be best for Undertaker to sit this year out, the card's already quite crowded with Cena/Rock, and I'm pretty certain that whoever Undertaker faces next will be his last opponent, but if he has to face anyone, it should be Randy Orton. Orton's the only guy in the company who's both over enough to where people can believe he'd have a chance at breaking the streak who isn't either occupied with other matters (Cena, Punk, Rocky, Triple H, Chris Jericho), or completely awful in the ring (Mark Henry, Kane, Miz). Plus, the RKO and the Punt are the most protected moves on the roster.
I think Triple H vs. CM Punk is the best option WWE has for the Raw Title Match. In spite of the politics, I've always been a fan of Hunter, and his last match with Punk was very good. Though the real reason I think this match would work is because Hunter is one of the only guys on the roster who has a believable chance of beating Punk clean who isn't occupied with other matters, or completely awful in the ring.
As for the rest of the card, fill it with great wrestlers, and give consistent pushes to the guys who have a future on this card, and future cards. Put in one or three piss-break matches, and you could potentially have the best card ever.
Any worries or alternatives, Cagesiders?
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I'm still not buying your fantasy booking of Daniel Bryan
and instead I’m buying a more logical slow build to Wrestlemania with Bryan and Henry, so I don’t necessarily agree with the two of those you mentioned. I think Henry and Kane will finish a program prior to Wrestlemania, and then we’ll begin a buildup to Bryan / Henry with possibly another worker in the mix (as WWE so often does with “unproven” talent in main event spots).
Orton and Undertaker would be a good way to finish off Taker’s career, and I wouldn’t mind that on this year’s Wrestlemania card. As you mentioned, it’s so loaded though that it may get overshadowed or it may overshadow the titles, which is the last thing you want. It may be good idea to wait on that, but the timing is perfect in terms of Orton’s case, as he’s been doing nothing in the main event scene for months.
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There is almost no chance of a Henry/Bryan chance at Wrestlemania.
For some reason people think that Danielson is getting the same push Chris Benoit got back in late 2003, and nothing could be further from the truth. Back when Benoit was being pushed as a legit world title contender, he had already been in multiple high profile programs, won most of his matches, and was scoring clean submission victories over Brock Lesnar and John Cena, and Lesnar only ever beat Benoit after Benoit had a match with Cena earlier in the night, and Lesnar still couldn’t make Benoit actually tap.
Danielson has lost all his matches this year aside from a 4 way match with Cody Rhodes the MitB match, a couple Heath Slater matches, and his matches on Superstars; Danielson couldn’t even last 10 minutes against an injured Henry before losing clean to him.
It’s pretty obvious that Danielson is being booked to turn heel on Big Show because he’s upset about losing constantly, and I’m fairly certain that any Danielson match booked on the card will be the opening match, regardless of weather or not it’s a title match, and his match will almost assuredly be billed below the Henry/Kane match that will inevitably happen when Kane makes his return.
I do like that someone else wants to see Undertaker vs. Orton.
I really think it’d be the best solution. Orton’s gotten his style nailed down to a fine art, and his moves have been so protected that even one RKO will have the crowd convinced that the streak is over.
More importantly though, I think that out of all the guys in the WWE who the crowd would actually believe at having a shot at breaking the streak (Triple H, Mick Foley, The Rock, Steve Austin, John Cena), Orton would actually deserve the honor of breaking the streak. As much talent as Foley, Rocky, Hunter, and, to a lesser extent, Cena have, none of them would actually benefit from breaking the streak. Orton really is the perfect guy for this match.
im not buying anything this guy says at all
im actually surprised he hasnt booked Chris Benoit VS Eddie Guerrero for next mania yet lmao
I would pay $99.99 for Cole vs JBL in a Prison Shower Match.
by The so-called Beautiful on Dec 4, 2011 12:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Please don't encourage that idea
Just send Cole a present of soap-on-the-rope. It will be much cheaper.
by Manolo Has Pizzazz on Dec 5, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
Meh
Your clearly bitter hatred of guys really takes away the enjoyment of reading your articles. Two or three of these are just blatantly beating on guys you don’t like.
Beware my tiny electric fury.
by Gravity on Dec 4, 2011 1:17 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I'm stating why I think those guys are awful, I'm not just beating on them.
Do you even have a reason to believe that Miz, Mark Henry, and Kane aren’t awful? All their matches suck, they’re all average on the mic, they’re all really slow, they all have incredibly boring offense with one slightly interesting spot thrown in (Kane’s top rope clothesline, Henry’s Swampass, Miz’s neckbreaker combo), and none of them have ever had a truly great match despite all of them repeatedly facing best in the world opponents.
People like Miz because they like the story of a guy who climbed the ranks from the bottom ring, and they feel sorry for him due to how often he’s booked to be humiliated. People like Henry because they’re happy a heel in WWE is finally booked to steamroll people, and they feel sorry for him due to the terrible angles he was booked in. People like Kane because he’s a star from the glory years and was never jobbed out at all, and they feel sorry for him due to the terrible angles he was booked in. It doesn’t make any of those guys good just because they were booked in bad angles, often the reasons the angles were so bad was because all three guys had such embarrassing matches.
My opinion on your posts
If you are just writing as an outlet for being a pure fan, then keep it up. Ignore the rest of what I write. It is your opinion and opinions are not wrong.
If you are writing as a writer, your posts seem to take your opinions as fact. Opinions are not fact. You can back them up as much as you want, but you still need to acknowledge that others do not share you same viewpoint. (That may apply more to your replies to comments, I’m not really sure.)
I wrote this as a reply because the comment by Gravity seems to say what many are thinking.
Personally, if you have a writing goal, I would like to see you succeed. I have read all your recent posts and they have all made me think, which is an awesome thing on your part.
This is just my opinion, and opinions are not wrong, but they are not always right either. Best of luck to you, whatever your ultimate goal is. You can achieve it.
To clarify, this not an insult. I see potential and would like to see it fulfilled.
by Manolo Has Pizzazz on Dec 5, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What am I doing that's being subjective?
If you are writing as a writer, your posts seem to take your opinions as fact. Opinions are not fact. You can back them up as much as you want, but you still need to acknowledge that others do not share you same viewpoint. (That may apply more to your replies to comments, I’m not really sure.)
If you back up your opinions, they become validated. So far, I haven’t seen anyone give any statements that back up Kane, Miz, and Mark Henry being good. The PPV’s they main event have all done terrible buyrates when The Rock wasn’t involved, and their are at least a dozen guys in WWE alone who could have been given the pushes they’ve gotten to better results.
Besides, you write as though I have no clear guidelines as to what makes a good match, but I’ve always gone out of my way to state what I judge a good wrestler on.
Does the wrestler have good conditioning, allowing them to keep a good tempo in their matches?
By far the most important part of wrestling. A wrestler can be clumsy, terrible at selling, and very limited in their moveset, but if they don’t get winded during their matches, they can still bring goodness to the table on a semi-regular basis, and even greatness on occasion. Just look at John Cena, he’s awful in almost every respect except cardio, crowd heat, and a sense of timing, but because he has those three things, he’s had a ton of good matches, and a few great ones. CM Punk is one of the worst athletes in WWE, but because he’s so well conditioned, he’s also one of their best workers.
Miz and Kane don’t get winded often, but the reason for that is because generally their matches are only 15 to 20 minutes as opposed to Cena and Punk’s 20 to 30, and because both Miz and Kane move their matches at a snails pace. Miz in particular has some of the slowest mudhole stomping kicks I’ve ever seen in my life.
Henry doesn’t even avoid getting winded despite doing all the things Miz and Kane do, Henry can’t even last 10 minutes before gassing, and it’s inexcusable.
Does the crowd care about what’s happening during the actual match?
The second most important part of wrestling. Even an extrordinarily limited worker can have good matches when the crowd goes bannanas for them, Cena and Hogan are both great examples of this. Otherwise terrible matches have been carried on a crowds love for Hogan (Hogan vs. Warrior) or a crowds hatred of Cena (Cena vs. RVD).
The crowd might go crazy when Mark Henry squashes someone, but whenever the actual match portion of things come around, the crowd almost always dies. The crowd popped huge for his entrance at this years Survivor Series, and died within minutes of the actual match. Even the Orton matches Henry had were basically one huge pop for when Henry won, and the deadest crowd in the world when Henry was actually wrestling Orton. The same thing happened when Kane faced Undertaker and Edge in his main event feuds last year, except without the pop for when he won: and the same thing happenes again whenever Miz gets on offense for any of his matches.
There are other things I judge matches by, but you can’t get them unless you’re well conditioned or good at getting the crowd into your matches. Are the moves executed smoothly and with precision? Is their variety in the moves that are being used? Does the wrestler over-rely on restholds for short matches? Does the wrestler make their matches flow organically? Can the wrestler sell? You can’t develop these techniques unless you can wrestle for long periods of time, or pump up a crowd enough to care about what’s happening in the ring.
What on earth is it that leads you to believe Henry, Kane, and Miz are any good in the first place?
If you back up your opinions, they become validated.
If I don’t agree with your opinions, how does that make it validated. Keep in mind that we are talking about a ‘fake’ world. You can tell me how tasty this pizza is, but if my taste buds don’t agree, should I believe you or my mouth? And don’t pull any Chael Sonnen speak on me. (He’s an MMA/UFC fighter for those that don’t know. Look him up on YouTube for a hilarious few minutes.)
So far, I haven’t seen anyone give any statements that back up Kane, Miz, and Mark Henry being good.
Many have expressed their interest in Henry. That doesn’t make either one of you right or wrong. I’m just pointing that out to show opinions do not make facts.
All I can say is that we are polar opposites as fans. I don’t think about all this shit when I watch. Does Mark Henry intrigue me? Hell yes, he does. Unfortunately for you, there are way more fans like me that just watch to be entertained. (And no, I’m not a sheep).
Side note: I admit that you know way more than me as a wrestling fan. I do support your fanposts because you make me think, so kudos to you.
by Manolo Has Pizzazz on Dec 5, 2011 3:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But why does Henry interest you?
Who do you actually want to see Henry fight? Would you pay money to see him in a match with anybody? What is it about his matches that you like? Are his promos really that compelling to you? How is it acceptable to you that even though WWE saw fit to completely bury Sheamus, Wade Barrett, Jack Swagger, Dolph Ziggler, and Alberto Del Rio, Henry of all people is the guy they decided to have steamroll the roster?
You can’t just say “I find him entertaining” and not have a reason for it. Sure, it’s fun to watch a guy steamroll a roster, but it’s counterproductive if the guy doesn’t bring anything to the table that at least a dozen other guys currently employed in the company couldn’t do better.
You can’t just say "I find him entertaining" and not have a reason for it.
Actually, yes I can. I find his promos and matches entertaining. I like his raw energy and ferociousness. End of point. That is what I find enjoyable. I challenge you to tell why I do not find that enjoyable.
by Manolo Has Pizzazz on Dec 5, 2011 5:07 AM EST up reply actions
His matches are slow and plodding, the crowd dies in every Henry match I’ve ever seen with the exception of his Vengeance match with Big Show, and the only reason that match was good was because of Show, the only thing Henry did in the Show/Henry match was lie around on Big Show’s leg.
What on earth is it you enjoy about his matches? Henry constantly rests even in 10 minute matches. He has maybe five moves, and one slightly interesting spot (the Swamp Ass). His offense doesn’t look comically bad, but it doesn’t look good, and often is very sloppy. Henry can’t even jump up so that many of his opponents can suplex him properly, sure, it’s not like you’d expect Evan Bourne to suplex him, but when guys like Triple H and Randy Orton have trouble suplexing you, you’re too heavy and immobile.
Henry looks good because he’s been booked to win repeatedly, it takes zero talent of his own to do it, and it would’ve been better served on just about anybody else with the exception of the really terrible guys on the roster like A-Ri, Mason Ryan, Ezekiel Jackson, and David Otunga. This is not the level you should be at when you’re a 16 year veteran.
Dude...
Let people have THEIR opinion & respect it. It seems that you’re keen on shoving your opinion down people’s throats and bristle at the concept of anyone else having a differing opinion than yours.
This is incredibly circular logic.
If you actually respected the rights of other people to have their opinions, you wouldn’t get upset about other people stating why they have a different opinion than you, you’d just write and support why you think your opinion is better, and find flaws in the argument of your opponent.
but thats just what YOU think dude
everything is a matter of taste, theres no such thing as “The Miz SUCKS” because i bet my socks there are a lot of guys out there that like The Miz and are fans of him
I'm stating reasons as to why I think the Miz sucks, I'm not just saying he sucks.
Miz moves at one of the slowest paces on the roster, he’s bad at selling, his offense is ridiculously limited, none of his moves look like they have any impact at all, the crowd dies a slow death whenever he’s on offense in his matches, his promos all sound like he’s reading from a script, he has no sense of flow, no storytelling abilities, and some of the worst ring psychology skills on the roster.
What does he do as a wrestler or a promo that you actually like? It doesn’t matter if you like someone, what matters is why you like someone.
but as the other guy said
the thing is your reasons are YOUR reasons, and not everyone cares about them
i see people wearing miz’s shirts every monday and friday, and thats gotta mean something you know? if people is buying this guys merchandise, his connecting with the people in some way, maybe you dont get it, maybe youre too biased, maybe hes not indy enough for you, maybe hes not cmpunk-ish or dbryan-ish enough for you LOL
ill need to quote the great one to make my point
IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT YOU SAY !!
as Manolo said, if you want to be a serious writer, you need to stop bashing people just because you dont like them, its not cool because theres people out there that like those guys you hate so much, it doesnt matter if you have your reasons, trust me, they have their reasons too and you gotta respect that
by chaggo on Dec 5, 2011 3:52 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
as Manolo said, if you want to be a serious writer, you need to stop bashing people just because you dont like them, its not cool because theres people out there that like those guys you hate so much, it doesnt matter if you have your reasons, trust me, they have their reasons too and you gotta respect that
So in order to become a good writer, I need to not bash people I don’t like just because other people out their like them.
That’s the most circular logic I’ve ever heard in my life, and it doesn’t even work to your benefit. If you believe I can’t criticize people because I don’t like them, you shouldn’t even have posted that you disagree with my views.
The very least you could’ve done is offer some actual evidence as to why Miz isn’t terrible instead of this. Which of Miz’s matches did you like, how are his merch sales doing in comparison to Punk, Orton, Cena, or Ryder? How were Miz’s gates while he was champion? How good were the ratings he generated? What compels you to like him?
lol you dont get it do you?
who FUCKING cares about the reasons and the evidence, if you like a guy, you like the guy, period, it doesnt matter if a million marks say he sucks because of the most ground breaking reasons and back it up with tons of evidence, at the end of the day, you will still like the guy, thats how it is
and dont be stupid, im not saying you should like everyone in the god damn roster, you can express your opinion and say you dont like a guy, but bashing people is just you being an ashole and talkin out of your skinny fat ass, and backing that shit up with your so called “reasons” its just bullshit because as you can see on the comments, nobody cares about your reasons
wanna know how good is Miz? he makes you hate him with a passion, he makes you care so much about him that you waste your life talking about how much he sucks on the internet, thats how good he is LMAO
wanna know how good is Miz? he makes you hate him with a passion, he makes you care so much about him that you waste your life talking about how much he sucks on the internet, thats how good he is LMAO
I don’t want to pay to see him in anything. I don’t want to buy his merchandise, and I don’t want to watch him get his ass kicked because all his matches suck.
and dont be stupid, im not saying you should like everyone in the god damn roster, you can express your opinion and say you dont like a guy, but bashing people is just you being an ashole and talkin out of your skinny fat ass, and backing that shit up with your so called "reasons" its just bullshit because as you can see on the comments, nobody cares about your reasons
You are bashing me by posting this. By your logic, you yourself are a titanic asshole who’s opinion isn’t worth reading about.
Seriously, trolling this amateurish and lacking in logic is something I’d expect from a Yahoo Answers poster. If you had the god damn decency to capitalize your words and add apostrophes every now and then, it wouldn’t be so obvious, but this is pathetic.
yadda yadda yadda
youll obvioulsy never shut the fuck up and accept that other people has a valid point of view so im outa here
cheers
Taker/Orton
Absolutely not.
We’ve been down that road before…and I didn’t believe it then (and that was before I started going on sites like this) and I wouldn’t believe it now.
Now…Undertaker/Punk…that’s a match I would pay to see.
As much as I love Punk, Orton would be the better option.
Firstly, Punk already has the WWE championship, and Undertaker’s next match really doesn’t need the title to be important.
Second, and most importantly, the two most protected moves in the entire WWE are the Punt and the RKO, and Orton has both of them, the mere suggestion of using those moves on Undertaker will whip the crowd into an unrivaled frenzy that Punk’s moves can’t provide. The GTS has already seen numerous kickouts this year alone, and as awesome as the Anaconda Vice is, nobody on earth will believe Undertaker will be put down by any submission maneuver unless he’s facing a returning Kurt Angle.
Besides, comparing 2005 Orton to 2011 Orton is like comparing apples to oranges. Orton was the number four heel in WWE by a distant margin throughout the entire year, and when Shawn Michaels and Eddie Guerrero turned heel in the summer, and with Eric Bischoff garnering a metric fuckton of heat for slamming ECW throughout the One Night Stand Buildup, he was number seven.
Nowadays, Orton’s the most established full time guy on the roster, and unlike Cena, Orton actually acts like wins and losses matter to him. Sure, CM Punk is more over than Orton, but as far as wins and losses go, nobody has more credibility right now than Orton.
Thank you...
…for completely burying my opinion.
Secondly, thank you for throwing in a bunch of things that I didn’t mention in my post. Did I say anything about the title? No, I didn’t.
I could give two splats of a dead hooker’s vomit about the RKO & Punt being “protected” moves, I could certainly care less about facts & figures about Orton and I sure as all fucking hell don’t care about his win/loss record.
If you can’t even see the potential in someone offering an alternative, don’t ask for someone else’s opinion.
If you can’t even see the potential in someone offering an alternative, don’t ask for someone else’s opinion.
I never said there was no value to your opinion, the mere act of disagreeing someone and offering up reasons as to why you think another alternateive would work better is just what every human being has done in every good debate since the dawn of time.
I never said your opinion was a bad idea, Punk is a fantastic worker, and a Wrestlemania match with Undertaker would be pretty good, but Punk doesn’t need to beat Undertaker to get any more over than he already is, and doesn’t have the legitimacy in the eyes of the crowd to actually beat the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, as over as he is.
I could give two splats of a dead hooker’s vomit about the RKO & Punt being "protected" moves, I could certainly care less about facts & figures about Orton and I sure as all fucking hell don’t care about his win/loss record.
Having protected moves and winning a lot of matches is exactly how someone would get over enough to have a great match with Undertaker. As much as I love Punk, it’d take two or three GTS’s, and maybe a Tombstone before he’d get the reaction Orton would get from just teasing executing the Punt.
Look...
…I don’t care, OK?
I just want to see Punk & ‘Taker go at it at Wrestlemania. I think Punk should be the one to either end the streak or be #20. I don’t care about the rest of that stuff.
You know what?
You are not a moderator here. You do not run this site. You are just another Internet smark. You stay on your side of the fence, I’ll stay on mine. Savvy? Because I guaran-motherfucking-tee, I can say some shit that will make you blush, kid. You are fucking with the wrong bull right about now. I’m here to have fun, shoot the shit with other wrestling fans, make a few funny quips and contribute to the live blog.
Also, I am NOT afraid to hit the flag button on someone. I just flagged your above post for harassment & trolling. Now, if you want to continue to throw a temper tantrum, feel free…but know that I will flag EVERY. SINGLE. POST. of mine that you reply to in this thread.
You have very little respect for anyone who doesn’t fall into your category of what an Internet wrestling fan should be. We come in all shapes & sizes & have vastly differing opinions. You seem to think that everyone should be in lock step with your views and debate all the damn time. Like I said, I’m not here to debate. I can’t keep up with 75% of you guys. I’m not the smartest mark when it comes to this stuff (unless we’re talking women’s wrestling…then I’m fairly knowledgeable), but I do know enough to know what you’re all talking about. And I’m fairly certain that I’m not alone in that fact and the fact that you have the unmitigated gall to tell me to leave because I don’t want to “debate & reason” with you shows that you’re not only arrogant, but extremely immature and insecure.
Now this makes what, the third or fourth time you’ve gotten into it with someone in this thread? I think you should take a little time and do some self-reflection.
And don’t bother replying…because, like I said, I’ll keep flagging. So just let it be.
The Miz + Henry
I’m gonna have to disagree with your opinions of those two
The Miz, he’s entertaining, I enjoy his promos, I like his “I’m Awesome” and “Really?” stuff, it entertains me, I like the character. And yes, I like the fact he’s transformed himself from a reality star wannabe wrestler into a (sort of) legitimate main-eventer. Personally I think that’s as good a reason as any to like a wrestler.
You say his moveset is limited, his moves lack impact and he gasses quickly, well I’ve never noticed that myself; maybe it’s true but if he’s entertaining me and telling a story in the match then I’m not gonna notice those things, surely that’s a sign that he’s doing his job well.
And I always thought his clothesline through the ropes thing looked sweet.
Henry, again, smarks are happy for him finally realising his potential after so long, thats a valid a reason as any to like him. I absolutely love his promos, I don’t think any other worker on the roster can deliver such intense promos (as much as cena might try), and that’s what makes his character really work. Maybe other wrestlers could have done similar stuff with his push, but I can’t imagine Barrett, or even worse Swagger, delivering such incredible promos.
Obviously he’s limited in-ring, but I think that’s more down to size than anything, Big Show is hardly a fantastic worker, and together they’ve managed to deliver a couple of pretty decent pvp matches.
And you’ve gotta admit, he’s managed to turn a pretty generic looking slam into a serious finisher. His whole demeanour throughout his matches and promos is just fantastic, and I just love watching him. So what if he gasses quickly, personally I think he more than makes up for it in other areas.
Cena is probably the worst "intensity" promo on the roster.
Using him as a comparison point is like using Ezekiel Jackson as a comparison for wrestling ability.
I never said Henry was the worst promo on the roster, Henry’s a decent promo, promos are the one thing I don’t mind him in, but promos are only valuable because a guy is talking about how much ass they’re going to kick in a wrestling match, and Henry can’t deliver in that department. That’s why, instead of Henry getting pushed as the baddest man in the roster, they could’ve pushed Sheamus, Barrett, or Del Rio to this degree with greater effect, or just given Jack Swagger a manager back in 2010 when he won the WHC.
but I can’t imagine Barrett,
Barrett did give the best promos on the roster at one point, hell, it was only last year that he was getting so much heat from his promos that he literally shook the arenas he was in. It took months of jobbing him out to kill his legitimacy, imagine where he’d be now if he were given Henry’s push.
Big Show is hardly a fantastic worker, and together they’ve managed to deliver a couple of pretty decent pvp matches.
Big Show is actually a really good worker when he isn’t so heavy, and if you go back and actually watch the decent match they had at Vengeance, you’ll find that Big Show performed all the interesting offense, and took the biggest bump in the match. Not to mention that they had to use every trick in the book to disguise Henry’s limitations in that match. By the time it came down to an actual wrestling match, they put on one of the worst matches of the year at Survivor Series. Imagine what could’ve been done if instead of using these tricks to hide Henry’s weaknesses, WWE used these tricks to enhance Sheamus, Wade Barrett, or Alberto Del Rio’s strengths.
And you’ve gotta admit, he’s managed to turn a pretty generic looking slam into a serious finisher.
The generic looking slam was booked to be a serious finisher. It’s not impressive looking in an of itself; and you don’t have to perform a flippy do move for it to look aesthetically impressive. The RKO, Ankle Lock, Figure 4, Pedigree, and the Crippler Crossface are exceedingly simple moves, but they work because the guys who made them famous put snap, athleticism, viciousness, and precision into executing them.
Ordinarilly I can forgive a guy for having a sloppy finisher, CM Punk and John Cena are exceedingly sloppy workers, and the two of them put on the match of the decade together, but the reason why Punk and Cena had such a good match was because both guys were well conditioned enough to keep a consistent pace in their match no matter how long they were wrestling for, not to mention the crowd was actually eager to see them wrestle. Henry can’t deliver that in the cardio department, and if you pay attention, you’ll notice every crowd he wrestles in front of dies the second the actual “match” part of his matches come about.
What if CM Punk uses Wrestlemania as a launch point for a ROH "Invasion"?
With Seth Rollins (aka Tyler Black), Claudio Castagnoli, Colt Cabana (If he gets signed), Evan Bourne, Daniel Bryan. Although I see this more of an nWo type of stable. But I think it could work
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Lloyd, Andy Russell, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene, Curtis Martin, Willie Roaf, Andre Reed and Jerry Kramer
"Back in my day we killed five hookers and thought nothing of it" Craig James
I'd love an ROH invasion.
But I don’t expect it to ever happen, and more importantly, I wouldn’t need it to happen in order to enjoy Wrestlemania. All I want is to see some good matches, and maybe one or two great matches where the right guy goes over in each match.
I agree with pretty much all of it
except on the WWE Championship match. I believe if Jericho is coming back, then he should face C.M. Punk for the WWE Championship. That has the potential to be a money feud if its booked properly. I can see the tagline for the match now, Who really is the “Best in the World”? If If he isn’t, then book a blow-off between Punk and HHH.
"The helmet doesn't make you, you make the helmet"- Jimbo Fisher
Formerly known as MattChampNole12

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