Cageside Quote: 'If Brock Lesnar loses don't be surprised to see him in WWE fairly soon'
Though Brock Lesnar didn't take a dive against Alistair Overeem last night at UFC 141 and almost certainly won't make a shock return to WWE Raw in just two days time as their latest mystery man, the truth is close enough that a former colleague of Lesnar's like Chris Jericho who knows his modus operandi can plausibly make those false accusations and get away with it.
Throughout his career, Lesnar has always sought the easy road and looked for an exit strategy when things weren't going his way. When Vince McMahon decided that Brock Lesnar was a failure as the top star on Smackdown in early 2004 and it was time for him to drop the WWE title to Eddie Guerrero, it didn't take long for a burnt out Lesnar to hand his notice into the company. Supremely confident in his athletic ability, Lesnar thought his local celebrity and raw talent would be enough to snag him a place on the Minnesota Vikings football team, but quickly gave up on the idea of an NFL career when he realised it wouldn't be that easy.
For a while it looked like Brock was up shit creek without a paddle, as he was embroiled in a lengthy legal dispute with WWE over the restrictive terms of his multi-year non-compete agreement, which precluded him from going into MMA, and it looked like he was resigned to his fate of returning to WWE for a worse deal than the one he had before. But at the last second he found a Joker card up his sleeve, when a desperate Antonio Inoki signed him to a lucrative New Japan Pro Wrestling deal in the autumn of 2005, despite his ongoing lawsuit with WWE. Inoki's Hail Mary completely failed, as Lesnar was an expensive flop as IWGP Heavyweight champion, but worked out perfectly for Lesnar himself, since it gave him the time and resources to obtain a favourable settlement from WWE, allowing him to start his MMA career in earnest. There was still the IWGP title to deal with, but Lesnar showed his gratitude to the struggling New Japan promotion by playing hardball and failing to fly to Japan for a scheduled title defence against Hiroshi Tanahashi, which led to him being stripped of the belt.
That brings us to this week, where Brock Lesnar was setting up his UFC get out plan before he even stepped foot in the Octagon, by making it clear that he wouldn't refuse Vince McMahon's big bucks if he came calling. One very halfhearted performance later that didn't play to his strengths, leading to a quick defeat at the hands of the best heavyweight kickboxer in the UFC, he then immediately handed in his notice to Dana White by announcing his retirement from MMA. You didn't have to be Sherlock Holmes to realise that Brock was doing the spade work to angle for a quick return to WWE, because he knew he couldn't hang with the younger, more well rounded athletes that have emerged in the heavyweight division while he's been more preoccupied with recovering from two bouts of diverticulitis than improving his fighting skills.
Indeed, Dave Meltzer on his latest Wrestling Observer Radio show speculated that Brock "just came in to get beat", because he wasn't the same Brock of three years ago and knew in his heart after training that he wouldn't be able to take Overeem down and there went his chances of victory. Moreover, Meltzer had heard about Lesnar's idea to jump straight from UFC to WWE should he lose for the last few weeks:
"[Dana] said that he didn't know that this was happening, but I will say this, all week long I had heard from plenty of people that if Brock was to lose he would, and I shouldn't even say all week because I heard for the past three or four weeks that if Brock were to lose don't be surprised to see him in WWE fairly soon.... When he started with the [retirement] speech, I thought, you know, OK, very very interesting, because it was clearly practised, he knew ahead of time. I don't know if he had told anyone but there were rumours going around, not so much that he was going to quit, but there was an offer out for him and if he lost in a bad way, which the feeling was if he lost it would be in a bad way, that he wouldn't be able to be a main event fighter again and without being a main event fighter he wouldn't make millions for a fight and Brock is not a guy who is going to fight for $500,000 or $700,000. He's just not going to do that, especially when he can, in his own mind, make far more than that doing pro wrestling."
Of course, Dana will do everything in his power to stop Brock from showing up on WWE TV anytime soon, just like Vince McMahon successfully managed to delay the start of Brock's MMA career by a couple of years, even though ultimately Brock got the last laugh in that legal battle. The question becomes whether Dana will resort to the stick of his lawyers like Vince did almost eight years ago or take the carrot approach of offering Brock a big payday to face someone like Frank Mir or Roy Nelson on FOX to keep him in the UFC fold for another fight or two. After all, Brock wouldn't be the first pro wrestler or even MMA fighter to renege on a speedy retirement vow.
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After months of hearing from Meltzer that there was no chance Lesnar shows up in wwe for at least a year, Meltzer about faces and says he’s heard for Weeks about Lesnar possibly jumping ship if he lost! Any writer worth his weight and in Melzters position would have been the first to report this rumor! If Meltzer kept hearing this rumor for weeks then why didn’t he say something? Meltzer is grasping and possibly lying here. No one saw the retirement coming and still no one knows who 1/2/12 is. Think of this logically. Meltzer has an mma column on foxsports.com and the observer to write and never once mentioned this rumor he kept hearing for four weeks? He is lying
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by Major on Dec 31, 2011 11:03 PM EST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
Meltzer works in a business that's founded on people lying for a living.
Of course the information he gets is sometimes contradicted by the actions of the athletes, that doesn’t mean the information isn’t correct.
Asterisk has a good point.
Meltzer undoubtedly bullshits quite a bit, which isn’t surprising considering the business he’s in is full of bullshitters. The biggest reason for not saying something before it happens is because oftentimes you can’t prove it. It certainly looks bad later to bust out and say, “Yeah, I knew about that,” because you will inevitably have folks like yourself asking why he didn’t say anything before. But the MMA world is different with news in that you can get it but letting it out is a dangerous proposition. Meltzer doesn’t ever want to get his credentials pulled and that’s always a very real concern.
I’ve known about quite a few things MMA related before they happened but was told specifically not to say anything for various reasons. It’s the way the game goes sometimes.
I do want to say, though, that you’re right in some ways. There are certainly cases where people will say one thing, another happens and they try to spin it as best they can. So to some extent you’re right but you also have to account for a lot of other things.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
What exactly has he bullshited about?
You said it. Thus, give some examples. Although, I bet you won’t give any.
by TrailerParkTrash on Jan 1, 2012 12:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with this..
I will say that Meltzer has done this so much lately that I find myself looking to other.sources when I used to rely solely on his opinion as fact. Paul Hetman is one of Meltzers biggest sources. You’d think Meltzer could’ve gathered enough hints even if he couldn’t outright confirm the story. Seriously, Lesnar jumping is bigger news than Cena/Rock could ever be. He’s a huge PPV draw! You just can’t sit on that.
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by Major on Jan 1, 2012 11:41 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
You are- stupid.
You really think Meltzer is going report rumors if he cannot confirm them? There are too many reasons for not confirming. Think about them. This site is just one example of many who look to Meltzer on insight. Plus, his business is not based on the business of rumors.
by TrailerParkTrash on Jan 1, 2012 12:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Excuse me have you read a newspaper lately? Have you read the sports section? Rumors are everywhere. Reporters write about CREDIBLE rumors. For Meltzer, who is an contracted mma writer for foxsports, if he had heard from various sources consistently for four Weeks about Lesnar jumping ship, then that’s credible enough to at the very least mention in a column. This is Brock Lesnar! The face of UFC! And you’re hearing he’s bolting and you write nothing about it and say nothing about it on your daily podcasts but after shit goes down you’re like ‘well we had heard that rumor for FOUR WEEKS!’ Imagine espn sitting on a rumor that Aaron Rodgers was getting traded for four Weeks then after.the trade espn says oh yeah we knew it!
Don’t give me any bunk about journalistic integrity. The man had time to print rumors about who is screwing who in wwe and why so and so left wwe for love in the last few Weeks, so don’t tell me that crap had more merit than four Weeks of rumors that UFC’s top star is jumping ship. Finally don’t call anyone stupid if you don’t want your opinion pulled apart and exposed as stupidity as well. Do not blindly defend something just because you like Meltzer. Don’t call names, state facts, contradict with truisms. If I am wrong then prove it. Based on Melzters own words, he is lying or the dumbest mma writer on the fucking planet.
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by Major on Jan 1, 2012 11:19 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Rumors are rumors
Happens constantly in sports, politics, celeb-watching…
Gillberg...Gillberg...Gillberg...
by GoForthAndDie on Jan 1, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I kind of agree with Major
If Lesnar won, all of this would be a non-story. Plus, I don’t think Meltzer (or anyone else) should get any credit at all for this ‘story’. I would guess at least 90% of the people that read Cageside Seats could have guessed this ‘story’ would happen if Lesnar lost.
by Manolo Has Pizzazz on Jan 1, 2012 4:18 AM EST up reply actions
It's kind of funny to think
that Lesnar really wanted to win this fight before winning the UFC heavyweight title and THEN going back to WWE with a higher profile name then ever before. But once he got inside the cage with Overeem and realized he couldn’t win, he just said fuck it and went down. He’ll still get a big payday but just think of the shitstorm there could have been had he won the belt again.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
I think Vince wanted Lesnar to win the title and bring it to the wwe and throw it in the trash. I fully believe Lesnar has a verbal deal with Vince. Lesnar is very comfortable and you can’t give up those UFC dollars if he didnt
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by Major on Dec 31, 2011 11:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Geno, I love that you sent my fanpost to the top of the page, but the idea that Lesnar took a dive is retarded.
Lesnar’s a man who’s suffered two bouts of diverticulitis before he turned 40, and got kicked in the liver by one of the best kickboxers in the world. Of course he lost the fight.
I never said he took a dive.
I’m just saying it was clear that he didn’t want any more of the top tier fighters in the division, Reem being one of them.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Be a star ***
So go forth, my brethren, and proceed to mark the f*ck out
by C. J. Bradford on Jan 1, 2012 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
major
you need your opinion out here on the interwebs more
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Dec 31, 2011 11:33 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Thanks you
That’s kind and im trying to find the time to post more. I made a promise to Geno.
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by Major on Jan 1, 2012 11:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I knew he was kind of a douche
I didn’t realize how big of a kind of douche he was though.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Jan 1, 2012 1:30 AM EST reply actions
When Vince McMahon decided that Brock Lesnar was a failure as the top star
I missed the entire WWE Brock Lesnar era, but It always seemed like he was a megastar from everything I have read. Revisionist history?
I find that quote kind of funny now, looking back on how quickly judgment is made on today’s superstars. It seems like if the ratings don’t pull for literally one week, backstage judgments are passed. And everyone knows how hard it is to shed a negative first impression. Even if you get a false rep, it is extremely hard to overcome.
by Manolo Has Pizzazz on Jan 1, 2012 4:11 AM EST reply actions
From a business standpoint 2003 was a pretty dark year for the WWE. Lesnar wasn’t knocking them dead as a draw. In the meantime Eddie Guerrero was pulling in huge numbers of new viewers for his mid card segments on Smackdown, so much so that WWE envisaged him becoming the Latino “Stone Cold”. So the title switch was made and Eddie was supposed to have a much longer reign than he ended up getting. The plans for Lesnar was to put over the returning Undertaker after WrestleMania XX, which would have been two high profile defeats in a row, but he wasn’t down with that.
Thanks for the explanation. I wonder how big a star Lesnar would have really been if he stayed with WWE for the long haul.
by Manolo Has Pizzazz on Jan 1, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Given his size and athleticism
I would have to guess eventually something would have clicked.
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