Is Vince McMahon following in struggling Oprah Winfrey's footsteps with his WWE network?
For an extremely ambitious and innovative sports entertainment entrepreneur, Vince McMahon has certainly been behind the curve in setting up his own network and is rushing to catch up. WWE is already several years behind the NFL, Major League Baseball, the NBA and the NHL, all of whom have had their own channels up and running in the United States for several years. Even the former queen of daytime TV, Oprah Winfrey, beat Vince to the punch by launching a network named after herself with partners Discovery Communications at the start of this year, but her struggling channel's deep financial losses in year one suggest that Vince may have left things a little too late.
Indeed, Vince may be making many of the same schoolboy errors that she made. Oprah thought she could just waltz in and command large carriage fees right off the bat, but she was sorely mistaken:
Last year, as Oprah Winfrey was attempting to set up lucrative carriage deals for her new TV network, she decided to negotiate personally with the executives at Comcast, the nation's largest cable operator. Winfrey traveled to the company's Philadelphia headquarters in the hope that a little Oprah magic would result in handsome fees for her joint venture with Discovery Communications. But according to multiple sources with direct knowledge of the meeting, Comcast executives not only rebuffed Winfrey but characterized her pitch as "greedy" for an unproven network. After that, Winfrey did not attend other such meetings.
As Dave Meltzer reported in last week's Wrestling Observer Newsletter, a very similar story is currently playing out with the WWE network:
From what we understand, negotiations for clearances is going slow and in cable, the feeling is they are asking for too much and that WWE believes they have more leverage than they do.
The end result for Oprah was that she had to agree to be paid no carriage fees whatsoever in order to get her foot in the door with major cable providers like Comcast, which is common for new networks and WWE is likely to be no different. But such a scenario would be disastrous for WWE, whose budget for the network in its first year alone is expected to be a hefty $60-90 million between payroll, upgrading their production facilities, satellite uplinking, marketing and the costs of developing and producing many hours a week of new programming, as WWE cannot hope to recoup those costs from advertising alone.
The parallels don't end there. With Oprah's wealth dwarfing even Vince McMahon's, it's unsurprising to discover that she's just as cocooned from reality as the crazy old kingpin of professional wrestling:
Winfrey also is said to have been unfamiliar with the general television landscape, according to sources with firsthand knowledge -- one insider says that in the early going, she often expressed enthusiasm for ideas that seemed original to her -- but weren't. "Oprah has a bubble she lives in," says another. "She's not a fan of a lot of TV."
Frankly, it's a scary prospect to imagine what Vince McMahon will rustle up in the limited time at his disposal when his film division has been full of turkeys. Thankfully, they've got their enormous wrestling tape library to mine which should give them a solid foundation of quality shows with little effort and is a major advantage that Oprah did not have, but such programming will only have a niche appeal and may struggle to sustain an audience once the nostalgia has worn thin.
Furthermore, with the Oprah Winfrey Network being at best a failing brand and at worst a sinking ship, this has led to them being "beset with executive turnover". If the OWN is finding it difficult to attract and retain quality personnel, then WWE must be finding it impossible with their lack of track record in the field. Indeed, Meltzer reported this to be the case last week, saying that no-one wants to be associated with a network that has failure written all over it:
The problem isn't so much the network but the fact they are rushing it out there. Not only is there limited direction, but they still don't have enough people hired for it. People in key positions in charge haven't been hired, and there are only four-and-a-half months to launch. I know of people who had been in talks and all passed on it, with one remarking that Vice President of the XFL may not be something you want on your resume. So they aren't inspiring confidence, largely because of the apparent lack of long term vision.
At this point, it would certainly be wise for Vince to call an audible and delay the launch of his network for several months while he sorts out these significant teething problems properly, otherwise this project seems doomed to short term financial failure at the very least. But he's far too proud to do that and you know what they say about pride, pride comes before a fall. 2012 could even be the worst fall in Vince McMahon's whole career as a promoter depending upon how badly he messes up this project and how his stockholders react to it all. Lets hope not, but the signs aren't very promising.
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I don't know why anyone would think to write it off
The WWE owns thousands of hours of archival wrestling footage, plus they broadcast two shows that don’t actually have TV homes (NXT and Superstars), as well as Smackdown, which still has a short-term contract (no?). So, it’s not like they won’t have anything to air. Plus, we already know they want to do the Legends House thing, so that’s more programming that they’ll have. In effect, it’ll be akin to MLB Network, or NFL Network (wrestling is, in effect, a sport like baseball and football).
Will it be worth the set-up and maintenance costs? Not knowing financial stats or anything, I have no clue. I see no reason to think that it would, off the bat. It’s a niche sport that has hundreds of thousands of fans in the U.S., and millions across the world. It has a basic premise (broadcast wrestling). I don’t see where it might fail. The Oprah Network tanking, I don’t see why one might draw a parallel with a WWE Network: the Oprah Channel doesn’t/didn’t have a specific purpose, as many casual or hardcore fans, the diversity of fans, a large amount of footage that can be aired at any time…
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 22, 2011 10:22 PM EST reply actions
yeah
its a stupid comparison, they have nothing to do with each other, in a way its like comparing history channel with cartoon network
Oprah is much more respected than Vince this network will fail. Oprah and Vince are both out of touch, rich(Oprah is much richer), and they are starting a network to fast.
by MVP Raiders on Dec 26, 2011 6:44 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
THIS.
OWN is a wasteland. It’s basically Lifetime v2.0, only with much worse programming.
I foresee the network lasting about two years, tops.
Vince fails when he thinks to big, it’s why he is a millionare and not a billionare.
by MVP Raiders on Dec 26, 2011 6:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
If anything, Vince will do far worse than Oprah.
Vince has a sixth the money, six times the ego, and a sixth as many people he can call up to put together TV shows as Oprah.
The only reason Vince isn’t looking at the worst financial year of his life is because Wrestlemania XXVIII is guaranteed to sell gangbusters unless McMahon convinces Cena to accuse Rocky of murdering Katie Vick.
I wonder how much Vince is leveraging his company to do this whole network thing.
He might not leave much for Stephanie and her husband to manage when he’s gone.
we need to see the good side of all this
if the network fails, vince is gonna be desperate for money and the shows and ppvs will probably get better because of that lol
Every time in the past in which Vince got desperate, programs usually got worse than ever.
Ultimate Warrior backfired as the companies number 1 face, so Vince booked Sgt. Slaughter to be an Iraqi Sympathizer.
WWE business and ratings reach record lows, so a celebrity NFL player gets put in the main event of Wrestlemania.
The bottom falls out from the Attitude Era boom, so Vince comes up with an angle so outrageous, everyone will be talking. Triple H accuses Kane of murdering and defiling the corpse of Katie Vick.
Every human being ever starts making worse decisions when their back is up against the wall. There is no good side to this.
I think Vince might be ok..
He’s not made it this far w/o taking big risks. You can point to the XFL.. but come on.. how many successes as he had over the decades.
That being said.. he would do better to partner up or buy something where he can mix up his content. Seriously.. how much wrestling can a person watch in one day? Per week? I struggled with the 5 hours I put in now w/ ROH, Raw, SD.
I would like to see him buy up some other entertainment areas & put those on his channel. Not sure what.. but gotta mix it up some.
by Rawuncutnxrated on Dec 23, 2011 9:48 AM EST reply actions
And the whole WWF name loss. Trying to get away with using it in a manner outside the agreement in Europe was foolish if not greedy. To me that was far worse than the XFL. But even so I think Vince has a good chance of making this work.
by mariobatalivsmarkhenry on Dec 23, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
The XFL and WWF New York would've put Vince in the ground had he not been doing the best business of his career.
The network is going to cost him every bit as much money as those two failures, maybe more, and Vince cannot absorb the impact of that loss relative to the money WWE is currently generating.
Outside of the wrestling business?
None. I just can’t imagine how this won’t bomb out. There is no great push by the fans for the network with ratings and buyrates way down.
by graves9 on Dec 23, 2011 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The same can be said of MLB Network and NFL Network, how much baseball and football can a person watch
Me, personally, I know I often just put on MLB Network in the background, while I’m doing other stuff, like cleaning or something, for ambient noise. Either that or the news. I’m sure I’m not the only person.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 23, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Right but Baseball hasn't had a massive dip in popularity over the last ten years
and isn’t as much as a niche programming as the WWE network would be.
Right, but the people who are fans, if they pay for it, aren't necessarily going to be bored with it
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 23, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Juding by WWE's slump in popularity over the last decade, people aren't paying for it already.
What makes you think over-saturating the market will help a business that has already suffered a massive dip in popularity?
There'
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 24, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
There's a pretty big difference between
shelling out the money for a PPV, or multiple PPVs, that are of limited time, and questionable booking, and shelling out less money for a television station that is 24 hours/7 days a week (more or less), with decades of archival footage available to be aired.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 24, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
The other sports networks are really a great comparison for one reason: the offseason. I LOVE MLB Network during the baseball season; it pretty much eliminated ESPN from my life and other than actual baseball games on Fox Sports my TV stayed on MLBN almost all the time. However, since the season ended, I’ve put it on the channel for maybe a grand total of two hours. Assuming the entire WWEN concept doesn’t totally bomb right out of the gate, they have decades of content from almost every wrestling company that ever existed in the US, in addition to all the new programming they’re developing for the network.
by The so-called Beautiful on Dec 23, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
MLB Network was a lot more cool when it first started,
and to fill those hours, they played footage of old World Series’. That was kind of my main interest in it.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 23, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
could be the biggest threat to the empire since WCW
I’ll admit right off that I have no knowledge of the financials involved in running or profiting from a tv network. But based on the ratings, buy rates, house show attendance, etc, I don’t see a public clamoring for more wrestling product. And archival footage, Hacksaw and Rikishi rooming together or Mick Foley talking about his love of roller coasters don’t strike me as breakout hits. So this looks like something that will require a great deal of capital (financial & human) to produce, and as a potential drain on the company, the biggest threat to the WWE since the late 90s.
For wrestling nerds like me, this could be a great thing. An easy way to see classic matches, documentaries, PPV events for less, plus an opportunity for another wrestling company to step up their game and grab a share of the wrestling mainstream? Sounds good to me. But it might not be great for WWE as a company.

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