Dave Batista explains the problem with WWE booking The Miz while complaining about the PG Era
As Sergio noted not long ago, Dave Batista is no fan of the WWE's PG Era. He blames John Cena, of all people, for killing hardcore, edgy wrestling and says the current product is far too watered down for his tastes.
He's pushing that same line in a recent interview with the Daily Star:
"It's brutal. I can't watch it. I can't connect with it. I no longer know this business. I don't do PG wrestling."
There is no worse meme in pro wrestling than that of smarks, marks and even the wrestlers themselves blaming the PG rating for the bland nature of TV shows. It's a crutch more than a legitimate complaint. No amount of edgy booking can cover up a near complete lack of charisma. Funny how it's guys like that who do the loudest complaining, though Batista was really coming into his own just before leaving the business last year.
In his zest to slam WWE, "The Animal" touched on an issue the company will always have with one of its top stars, The Miz:
"Love me or hate me, when I was there everyone took one look at me and knew I could beat someone up. I don't think they look at Miz that way. It's sad. It's not their fault. These days the guys have their hands tied, they are so limited in what they can do. The difference is that guys like Rock, Austin, Triple H, excuse me, but they had to have the living sh*t beat out of them to get where they are. They went through war and the audience knows it and the audience appreciates it. The guys today will never get to that level. It's sad, but that's the reason for it."
Miz has never quite looked the part of someone who should be taken seriously as a threat because it's simply impossible to ignore the reality of the situation.
He's not intimidating ... at all. He's the opposite, in fact.
Batista, whenever he walked into a room or stepped inside the ring, commanded respect. Not because we were told he should but because he naturally exuded the quality necessary to make me believe, without a shadow of a doubt, that he could kick my ass -- or anyone else's ass -- if that's what it came down to.
And in pro wrestling, that's all it comes down to.
The Miz can try his little heart out but his meanest face and most intimidating stare is still the duck face that is far more likely to induce laughter than fear. PG or not, Miz is never going to come off credible as a threat because he simply doesn't have the talent to make up for his lack of size, a la Shawn Michaels.
Nonetheless, Miz's current character is that of an unstoppable heel who takes guys out and "makes an impact" while doing his best to look like a complete badass. But all it does is magnify the gap between himself and someone like Batista.
And it's pretty wide.
None of that can be blamed on PG, of course, but Batista makes a valid point. He says he has no plans to make a return anytime soon, despite his mixed martial arts aspirations crashing and burning with the Zuffa purchase of Strikeforce and a lack of interest from even smaller promotions. Surely we'll see him back again one day but apparently that won't happen as long as the product is PG.
Boo-hoo.
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Pretty much
Like how ROH’s storyline premises are pretty much PG for the most part other than the Briscoes.
Hear ye, hear ye,
Calling all wrestling writers, bookers and producers….NOW HEAR THIS…all heels do not have to be booked as physical, intimidating badass types to get over.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Completely agree
Miz seems to be a weasely heel. If you’re built like Brock Lesnar, there’s no reason to be that kind of character.
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 17, 2011 3:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
BTW
Batista lecturing anyone on what pro wrestling should be is absurd. Like he actually did something legendary. Save his last year and a half in WWE, Batista was an eye sore.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
He calls out the Miz..
What about his best friend Rey Mysterio?
by Rawuncutnxrated on Dec 17, 2011 10:48 AM EST reply actions
No but if a guy is booked to LOOK like a baddass it can go a long way
People might not see it right away, but if you had guys actually sell the Miz as a tough guy, they might buy it. Having people like Cena and Punk (and damn right Punk takes some blame on this) absorb his offense and come back Hulk-Hogan-style damn sure doesn’t help.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Punk calling attention
to Miz’s time on the Real World and his goofy haircut also doesn’t help. In fact, it’s the cherry on top. We struggle to take Miz seriously as the badass they book him as (or have been) and then we completely stop trying once Punk kills him on the mic.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Dec 17, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
I much prefer this Batista...

"Oldest ride, longest line!" - Ric Flair
by Doors Hate MMA Fighters on Dec 17, 2011 11:10 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Win.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Dec 17, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
I think Batista misses the point
I have enjoyed the Miz and I respect him more than I do a guy like Batista. Why? All Batista has to do is lift weights and growl and he can be packaged as a heel, especially the way Vince goes batty for big boys. Guys like Miz and Punk have to work twice as hard and accomplish twice as much to get that same spot because they don’t have the physical presence to do it for them. I respect that 10x more than muscles and mugs.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Dec 17, 2011 11:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This is all true
but I think it’s hard to deny that Miz can’t pull off the unstoppable heel gimmick. He can’t be the guy that does what they’re asking him to do. They could book him as a great heel because he’s an awesome talker but they would have to do it in a way that suited his unique attributes. WWE is failing to acknowledge what we all see and failing to adjust accordingly.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Dec 17, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Unstoppable, no
But I do think he could pull off a “devious SOB who will do anything to win” character. But that again goes back to booking.
Though for what it’s worth, I do agree with you as the PG excuse as a crutch.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
by Billy Gomila on Dec 17, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
1000 times this.
WWE missed a huge opportunity in the Miz v. Cena I Quit Match to make Miz a monster heel. Not monster heel like Henry, but a monster heel sort of like ‘Taker in like ’99 when he led the Ministry. He never really did anything because he had his cronies do it for him. He was just evil. Miz could have kidnapped some little kid or like Cena’s pretend wife to make him say I Quit. It would have showed that Miz will stop at nothing to win the WWE Title, and that he’ll never let anything get in his way.
Instead he beats the shit out of Cena for 30 minutes, but taps once Cena hits 3 moves then applies the STF. That absolutely destroyed anything Miz had built up. Then you have him job for someone like Alex Riley? Yeah.
by Kyle Rancourt on Dec 18, 2011 4:02 AM EST up reply actions
a lil bit on punk
From the masked man over at grantland
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7357887/cm-punk-wrestling-nostalgia
Some of the best heels are not monsters but are the nature boy or heartbreak kid etc etc. The miz is not on there level but can be very much in there mold.
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
by Elstriko on Dec 17, 2011 12:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
perception is reality. Flair was never big, but was so over because of his unique abilities that covered up his flaws. But if the crowd sees him as a wimp, then that’s what he is… no matter who he beats up.. he’s not destroying Henry or slamming Show… he may as well went out there & ended Santino & the Brooklyn Brawler’s careers in stead of Truth & Morrison.
by Rawuncutnxrated on Dec 17, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Batista has no reason to complain
It was do to HHH once again using his political power to even get Batista his first world title and part of Evolution. The same could be said for Orton but that’s for a different time. The whole being on a reality show can only be said so many times before people just need to get over it. It’s like the the Montreal incident. It took Bret what like 12 years just to forgive Shawn. The problem is no one likes to let go of the past and focus on the present which makes people like myself get sick of hearing the same bullshit and be bored out of my head from the same shit. I mean can’t they come up with some new material. HHH is one of the biggest dickheads in the industry and only got to where he is cause he was fucking Steph. Earlier in the year he even mentioned something about people were talking about that for years. True, they may have but it’s not like anyone came out and said it directly while still in WWE. The thing about bringing up things all the time is a headache and no one ever talks about it except on the net which really does no justice cause the right people aren’t hearing it. Sure I can talk like millions of others about peoples checkered past but what good does it do? Does anyone really think that it matters to any of the politicians in wrestling what the IWC says? Doubtful. It should be noted that Batista also talked shit about AJ Styles who didn’t take his shit. Booker T also got fed up with his big mouth. Batista cars about nothing but his own greed and selfishness. He has no respect for the business which is why Booker and him got into it years ago which eventually led to Booka’s release. Now where’s the justification in that? WWE is built on greed period. There’s no other reason why Vince bought up all the AWA talent to get those people to watch his product. Though it was do to Verne Gagne’s greed that led to many leaving in the first place. Miz dosn’t have to be booked as an “unstoppable heel”. What a silly concept. If people remember, it wasn’t to long ago that Jericho was being perceived as the best in the world at what he does to alot. The only reason for Miz not be booked properly is just that, the booking. Vince hasn’t done anything remotely interesting in years with the WWE (not WHC) till this year and even ADR is already a 2 time champion and why? Has he been wrestling and scrapping to get to where he is now like Miz or even Punk? People need to understand that it’s because of guys like Batista who made the WWE not want to push guys like Punk or Miz. Add to the fact when you have HHH with his direct ear to the boss on saying who gets pushed and who doesn’t, you might aswell call yourself Hogan. WWE hasn’t made any new stars in years and it needs to change but it won’t aslong as HHH is around. I’m sure all Batista has to do is give a ring to ol trips and he’ll be right back in some world title scene if he chose to return. How can you justify that? You can’t because lets face it between Vince’s lust over big bulky guys and HHH saying who gets to do what. Add to that you have one of the biggest dick suckers in John Laryngitis who would do anything for those two. Even if it means firing people who they shouldn’t. When you have stuff that pisses people off, the smart ones like Punk and Miz who waited for a good push have the fuel that’s steadily getting filled until one day it explodes and you get some of the best promos from anyone. Go back and just listen to Mizzy’s promos about how people didn’t want him there and had to dress in the hallway and yada yada yada. I’m sure alot know of this but regardless stuff like that needs to be said and if people don’t like it well it’s just a damn shame. Why try to hide how you get treated? Don’t be a JR.
you're own stupidity will lead you to your own downfall
by congestedthoughts on Dec 17, 2011 1:25 PM EST reply actions
Those thoughts were indeed congested
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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Dec 17, 2011 3:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
People still complaining and pointing out HHH fucking Steph in 2011 lol.
by Chris Cutrer on Dec 17, 2011 6:33 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
While i do agree with Batista for the most part. The “PG” Era is not as intriguing as many other era’s in Pro Wrestling. i still and will forever love watching pro wrestling. Its far far better than 95% of everything else on TV. sorry I dont wanna watch people sing and dance every week on prime time TV and have living room debates on whos better and why while again, 95% of the people watching are completely ignorant to the music and entertainment industry and its inner workings. As far as The Miz, i love his back story, I watched the season of the Real World he was on in New York. im from the Bronx, so that season definitely kept my attention. Hers a kid,young adult then, that did what every single fan of pro wrestling has done,made believe they were a pro wrestler stomping around the house in character,and if you had a replica belt(he had the plastic one, I had the $150 replica) it was on your shoulder,around your waist,held u in the air as you stood on your bed or couch as if it were the ropes and corner turnbuckle. then he tries out for a pro wrestling competition. now while he has a more popular name than every other competitor,if he wouldv’e sucked,stunk the joint out,or was dangerous in the ring,they wouldv’e cut his ass without thinking twice about it. But he had charisma and pretty decent mic skills which is the arguably the hardest part of pro wrestling,that sometimes wrestlers will go an entire career without ever coming close to being halfway decent on the mic. But he won, they chose him. Childhood dream, to Tough Enough winner,to WWE Champ, to the most prestegious and phenomenal moment in any wrestlers career…main eventing Wrestlemania,and as the WWE Champ…and WINNING!!! Who cares if he’s not a “big guy”, doesnt look or sound intimidating. this is pro wrestling. Any wrestler can be made to have have ANY persona if its done correctly, ANY WRESTLER! And for Batista to have an issue with The Miz for “not paying his dues” ,not getting beat up as much as the older wrestlers he mentioned. that’s not on The Miz,thats not any wrestlers fault. The WWE changed. Change is automatic. They saw it was more important to protect the health of their employees,the money makers. business wise,by toning down the brutality of pro wrestling keeps the guys around longer. Short term and career wise. I think its great that i get to see guys like Randy Orton, CM Punk,and even the newer guys like Daniel Bryan and Cody Rhodes. Having a full roster of wrestlers keeps the window of options and story lines
open. Batista said it himself in an interview that the most important trait of a pro wrestler was not technical ability or microphone skills, it is durability. If your hurt,you ain’t workin, and if you ain’t workin, you ain’t making as much money.

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