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Mark Henry the invincible monster is no more

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Hyperbole? Maybe a bit but remember we're always working within the context of any particular storyline.

When WWE made the decision to steal Brodus Clay's idea to give a guy a gimmick as a monster heel who doesn't sell for babyfaces and inducts everyone into his own personal Hall of Pain, they cast perennial mid-carder Mark Henry in that role and gave him the push of a lifetime.

It was almost odd, actually, how heavily he was promoted and the force with which he was thrust upon us. He's been pushed many times before, thanks to a gigantic contract, but never with a commitment quite like this year, to wit: he was allowed to cleanly pin Randy Orton to both win and defend the world heavyweight championship.

And he was even allowed to kick out of the RKO.

Henry's big run has been completely predicated on his looking utterly invincible. He knocked a few stars out with injuries (Big Show, Kane), and has generally squashed most of his opponents. Now, though, that run has come to an end.

An interesting note from the Wrestling Observer on how that is:

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Mark Henry's being pinned on Tribute to the Troops last night was only his second pin fall loss on television or PPV since the end of May. So after all the protecting of him as an invincible monster, they broke the gimmick by having him lose to Zack Ryder and then get pinned in a meaningless trios match where nobody will ever talk about it again, and in both cases by guys who aren't even likely to do programs with him.

WWE has this habit of booking shows as if they are completely independent of the timeline they're currently working off in each storyline for the programs their running on Raw and Smackdown. The Tribute to the Troops show last night was a great example of this. A show like that is booked as vanilla as possible with all the babyfaces going over with very little resistance because the entire point of the event is to send everyone home happy.

That's all well and good but Henry was a part of a three-man tag team that included Alberto Del Rio, who was booked as the weakest champion in recent memory when he had the belt and is still a fairly weak challenger, and The Miz, who has quickly turned himself into the goofiest, least credible wrestler on the roster.

Why have Henry job when either one of those two could have?

The match with Zack Ryder was the more damaging of the two. He was selling an injured ankle at the time but the manner in which he lost, John Cena running out and hitting an AA before putting Ryder on top for the win, hurt his image. It would have been different if Cena came out and blasted his ankle with a chair, incapacitating him or something along those lines. But to just have him eat an AA and lay down for Zack Ryder, of all people?

Not a good look for a monster who is supposed to be invincible.

So, uh ... how long until he jobs to Sheamus?

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So, uh … how long until he jobs to Sheamus?

Not nearly soon enough.

by *Asterisk* on Dec 14, 2011 9:07 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not buying it

I think there was a very big contradiction in what you said and then concluded. Sure they could have one of the two weakest contenders in the match lose but why? they already look weak and they are both in the TLC main event and in serious trouble of burying themselves (w/ an assist by Vinnie Mac) via weak matches and inability to be taken serious. The loss by henry can be seen as a fluke due to an interference and an AA by super Cena. I feel like we can write that off and they’re counting on us to just look at it and say, “typical Tribute to the Troops booking”. If the other two take a loss, it hurts a lot more. I don’t think Henry’s push in the World title picture is over. But i think you can safely say that it is if he loses to Big Show. And if that happens, it won’t matter much to me because i would absolutely tune out of wrestling for a while.

by Lexxi on Dec 14, 2011 9:12 PM EST reply actions  

There is nothing WWE can book at this point to make Del Rio and Miz not look like jokes for TLC.

It’s highly unlikely that there’s anything WWE can book in the next three years that will make Miz and Del Rio not look like jokes. I hate Mark Henry with a fiery passion, but seeing as how Henry is the only one of those three guys with any credibility whatsoever, they should book the guy with credibility to not get pinned in the match. Doing it this way is the same terrible parity booking WWE has been pulling for years.

by *Asterisk* on Dec 14, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

With all of that. But does it hurt Henry or end his push is the question. I say no.

by Lexxi on Dec 14, 2011 9:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's true.

Aside from Henry, the WWE hasn’t done a good job of booking a heel as strong in ages (and THAT could be turning around). The Miz and Del Rio especially look weak right now, and I don’t see what they could do to repair the damage they have done. Both Del Rio AND The Miz IMO should be seen as dangerous and intriguing matchups for the top faces of the WWE; but if Cena or Punk or Sheamus or Orton had a program with them right now, I could give a shit. I know how that’s going to get booked.

Save us Y2J!

by Jon Knapik on Dec 14, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't buy The Miz as a top-level heel.

Del Rio, maybe.

I think part of the problem is that, historically, WWE doesn’t book strong heels well. The other problem is that the guys coming up out of OVW don’t really have “strong heel” aura. Henry is the only one that can actually pull off the “credible monster” thing. Kane can too, if they book him that way. Other than that – are you going to buy Brodus Clay or Mason Ryan as a monster? I like Clay, actually, but it isn’t happening.

For that matter, guys like The Miz fall short in replicating the “cheater/too cocky for his own good” version of a strong heel. The Miz looks like a dude that I could kick the shit out of. Jack Swagger looks like a goof with a lisp. Maybe if he looked and spoke like Ric Flair, he could get away with the lisp, but he ain’t Ric Flair in either of those areas. Except for Mr. Perfect Jr. – uh, I mean Dolph Ziggler – I can’t think of any heel that could benefit from that type of strong heel booking anyway.

Hell, people love Sheamus and he was patently awful as a heel, I thought. I’m just not seeing the talent to make strong heel booking work, for the most part.

Sorry for the tangent.

by Razztopia on Dec 14, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

They’ve really missed the boat on Randy Orton. He’s the only heel in the last few years that had a real chance. Even at his most dominant, when he was psychotic and punting people in the head left and right, they still booked him to act cowardly and run away and take too many pinfalls.

They don’t seem to understand that you need strong heel to generate drama.

And weak heels make for weak babyfaces. Sheamus is a great example of that. Christian is was so fucking weak that it just looked like Sheamus was bullying him. Which he kinda was. Faces need to overcome threats, not pick on the weak.

by Mr. Sunny Days on Dec 14, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

For that matter, guys like The Miz fall short in replicating the "cheater/too cocky for his own good" version of a strong heel. The Miz looks like a dude that I could kick the shit out of.

I agree Miz can’t play a convincing bad-ass. I think he comes across as a douche, but that can work. I’m thinking of the cocky guy with a time-consuming hairstyle, turtleneck sweater, $150 jeans, and “stylish” shoes that look like something an elf would wear. But what do guys like that always have? Hot girlfriends… and that pisses people off, especially when they treat them like crap (because they’re a douche, remember?), yet the girl keeps coming back.

I was hoping they were going down this road when he started interacting with Maryse a while back. She played a great bitch that could’ve complimented his DB boyfriend gimmick. Depending on whom they pair him up with, it could even lead to face push for the diva as she overcomes the (PG) abusive relationship.

by King Oskar on Dec 15, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Too bad they released Maryse

it wouldn’t have been a strectch to have them being involved in a on-screen relationship, since they are in a relationship already

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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 15, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless Trips decides to be heel again

I don’t think we can see a credible, kick-ass heel anytime soon.

All that we will get are the pussy heels who cannot win clean against the golden boys.

by Man from Manila on Dec 14, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Untrue.

For all of ’07 and ’08 specifically, it was established as Insta-death because it was treated like Insta-death. So was the STF, for that matter. It pretty much was game over once Cena locked it in.

The difference is that in those big WM Main Event-style matches, it is common to see lots of finisher kick-outs, which is why in those matches, even death moves like the Pedigree get kicked out of. Those are rare, though. I think that you’ll find that this is the only time that people kick out of the AA (or reverse the STF).

by Razztopia on Dec 14, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

"On any given Sunday..."

And if he lost on a throwaway show like the Tribute, so what? That’s even less “real” than any other match.

Gillberg...Gillberg...Gillberg...

by GoForthAndDie on Dec 14, 2011 9:31 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Not much different from Kane '10

New attitude, clean wins over mega-face (’Taker) before being comedically outsmarted by other mega-face (Edge) → return to mid-card & novelty tag teams

by s1rude on Dec 14, 2011 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

Henry's been taking hits for a while.

Since after Vengeance, the Big Show has been punking him out all the time. Knocking him out with that super punch a few times, breaking his ankle, generally getting the last word. That monster aura was already fading. Not surprised they’ve stopped protecting him now that he’s playing with Cena.

by Mr. Sunny Days on Dec 14, 2011 11:31 PM EST reply actions  

This post is a dumb overreaction

You said it yourself, TttT is a feel-good show that has no meaning to any storylines. Henry losing here means nothing.

Beware my tiny electric fury.

by Gravity on Dec 15, 2011 12:16 AM EST reply actions  

love genos posts but

ima call bullshit on this one

i mean, the ryder pin was a joke, i dont see something like that hurting his build, i would see it that way if henry was being booked at 100%, but he was being booked as injured, cena took him by surprise, and cena is the face of the company, is not like hes gettin his ass kicked by a mid carder

the big show stuff doesnt cut the monster heel push for me either, i mean, its the fucking big show!! hes a god damn giant, you can actually believe he can go there and kick henrys ass, its not like henry is weak because of that, hell, hes probably the most credible guy in the company to kick anyone’s ass without making you believe the other guy was weak but he was just too strong

by chaggo on Dec 15, 2011 1:57 AM EST reply actions  

btw

see what i did there? no mention about tribute to the troops? well thats because that one DOESNT EVEN MATTER !!

by chaggo on Dec 15, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

This is just a furtherence

of that FACT that Vince just can’t book wrestling properly anymore. They have been doing this literally for year and years.

They can’t push a guy hard and then watch him actually run with the ball they handed him. He would get over to much and that is a bad thing, so they have to take him down 5 or 6 notches because that accomplishes part 2 of the plan (which remains a mystery). Part 3 however is the end result of this genius plan and that is gonna give you $$$$$$$$$$$$$$~!

by Anthony Steven Lewis on Dec 15, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

So Vince brought the underpants gnomes in as consultants?

by King Oskar on Dec 15, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

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