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Royal Rumble vs Money in the Bank: Which event produces the more successful champion?

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As we approach Survivor Series and the hype for The Rock vs. John Cena at Wrestlemania 28 begins, I wanted to take a critical look at how World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) will manage the top two title situations for what may be one of the most important pay-per-view (PPV) events in the promotion's history.

One thing that will be interesting to see is how WWE juggles those two title shots with the Royal Rumble winner and Daniel Bryan's vow to cash in his Money in the Bank (MitB) briefcase at Wrestlemania. This brings me to how WWE has handled the Rumble and MitB with regards to the title and making new stars.

There is a perception that the MitB briefcase has been used poorly, with the champions often forgettable and easily discarded. On the other hand, winning the Royal Rumble and main-eventing Wrestlemania has been held as a prestigious honor and the men who have had a chance to do that have gone on to lead successful careers.

Is this perception true? I looked into some data and tried to find out.

Let's break it down.

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I examined each Royal Rumble from 1998 to 2011, excluding the 1999 Rumble that Vince McMahon won. I chose this era because it is considered the beginning of the Austin-dominated "Attitude Era" that led to significant changes in booking within the WWE.

I looked at the average length of the reign following their victory at Wrestlemania. I then compared this to the average title reign of the winners of MitB. In order to make sure these numbers were somewhat comparable, I also found out the average length of title reigns in the 1998-2011 and 2005-2011 eras (the latter being the years which had Money in the Bank matches).

It turns out that the average title reign hasn't changed much since 1998:

Average World Title Reign, 1998-2011: 70 days
Average World Title Reign, 1998-2004: 73 days
Average World Title Reign, 2005-2011: 68 days

Here is the data, first for Rumble winners (13 in total), then for MitB winners (nine total):

Royal Rumble

Year Winner Title? Title Reign (days)
1998 Stone Cold Steve Austin Y 91
2000 The Rock N 0
2001 Stone Cold Steve Austin Y 175
2002 Triple H Y 35
2003 Brock Lesnar Y 119
2004 Chris Benoit Y 154
2005 Batista Y 282
2006 Rey Mysterio Y 112
2007 The Undertaker Y 37
2008 John Cena N 0
2009 Randy Orton N 0
2010 Edge N 0
2011 Alberto Del Rio N 0

Money in the Bank

Year Winner Title? Title Reign (days)
2005 Edge Y 21
2006 Rob Van Dam Y 22
2007 Mr. Kennedy / Edge Y 70
2008 CM Punk Y 69
2009 CM Punk Y 49
2010 Jack Swagger Y 82
2010 The Miz Y 160
2010 Kane Y 154
2011 Alberto Del Rio Y 35

Average Title Reign, Rumble Winners: 126 days
Average Title Reign, Rumble Overall: 77 days
Average Title Reign, Money in the Bank: 74 days

I find these numbers very intriguing.

If you look at just the winners, you can see that Rumble winners in general end up with successful title runs that last a decent amount of time (1.8 times the average title reign length). However, that is countered by the fact that Rumble winners have not all won their opportunities and when you average in the lack of title reigns from those Rumbles, the overall average title reign post-Rumble ends up being highly similar to the Money in the Bank reigns.

It's also worth noting that all three numbers are higher than that of the average reign in WWE, meaning that these winners have been given above average time with the belt as a group to establish a connection.

Of course, part of what makes a title run seem legitimate is how it is booked and I think that is where MitB's perception comes from. A good majority of these title reigns were weak just based on their lengths and for the most part, only two of the MitB winners (Punk and Edge) went on to establish themselves firmly as main event options (time will tell with Miz and Del Rio).

Among first-time world champions, only Punk, Edge, and Del Rio have won world titles since their first MitB-derived championships, while the remainder have toiled from mediocrity to worse.

But how have the Rumble winners done in terms of establishing themselves?

Of the Rumble winners listed, only five had not previously won a world title. This is significant in that the Rumble has been used less and less to get over a new star and more and more to set up a world title feud for an established character.

Just witness the 2007-2010 Rumbles, all of which were won by previous world champions.

So to a degree this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison; only one MitB winner (Kane) had previously held a world title. Of the five previous non-champs from the Rumble, two of them established themselves as main eventers on a full-time basis (Austin in 1998 followed by Batista). Two others were relegated to upper-mid card or temporary main event status (Benoit and Mysterio) and Del Rio did not win his opportunity.

I'm not sure what all of this ultimately means, but I don't think the Rumble lately has done much to elevate players compared to MitB. Neither has done a good job and that may be an indictment on how WWE uses those tools rather than how the event itself is utilized.

The Rumble has the momentous build-up behind it, but it seems WWE is more interested in using it to advance storylines with featured players. The situation with Bryan can mimic the Rumble in its slow buildup. His situation is likely the only opportunity WWE will have in this upcoming Wrestlemania season to build a new star using either of these tools, so I hope they use it wisely.

Agree? Disagree? Let's hear your thoughts in the comments section below.

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This is awesome stuff.

Going to be promoting this to the front page tomorrow when I have time to comb it over and edit.

Thanks for posting!

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by Geno Mrosko on Oct 27, 2011 1:55 AM EDT reply actions  

wow

Great job on this man.

It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

by Jesse Holland on Oct 27, 2011 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Very cool...

… but I still don’t think Bryan is getting that WM title shot. It just seems impossible to me.

And I know the circumstances were (wildly) different, but let’s not forget that Kennedy made the same claim with his MiTB and never made it to WM…

by stingrza on Oct 27, 2011 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I feel inclined to think that WWE will follow up Bryan's claim properly

They haven’t done anything with him lately, but that’s because he simply hasn’t fit into what the product is doing on Smackdown right now (building up Mark Henry and Sheamus). On the positive side, keeping Bryan hidden for some time, only to begin building him up the month before the Rumble, may be a good way to not overexpose him and his vow. On the negative side, WWE has a history of not following up angles they start properly unless they are really behind someone, and there is no indication that they are really behind Bryan.

We’ll see how it turns out. I have a scenario in mind which will almost assuredly get Bryan over, but it involves building an unstoppable heel champion into Wrestlemania, and it’s hard to believe WWE will ever do something that smart.

by Michael Jong on Oct 27, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still thinking Bryan heel turn followed by a pre-Wrestlemania cash-in.

by joliemadchen on Oct 27, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd like that angle

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by Lester A. Wiltfong Jr. on Oct 28, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fantastic. I love the analysis. In a pure connotative sense, I always think of the Royal Rumble as a more successful success breeder than MITB. That could just be due to the longevity of the event or the relative young age of MITB. Your research shows different.

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by mountaineers101 on Oct 27, 2011 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Success is Perception

 MITB is pretty much always cashed-in against a weakened champion and is typically a cheap, opportunistic win for a heel. The new champ will be perceived as weak and somewhat undeserving from the start of his reign and will have to fight this perception. Most of the time these heel champions aren’t booked strongly afterwards and so the perception of weakness remains or is even reinforced.

Winning the Royal Rumble requires enduring an event that’s a mash up of a gauntlet of opponents and a battle royal. Face or heel, the wrestler will have to work for that victory and when all is said and done that wrestler will be looked at as a survivor that overcame the odds. It’s a perception of strength.

 MITB seems more suited as the heel’s ticket to the championship where the RR would fulfill that role for the faces.

I would bet that the internal logic of both events plays a role in influencing, consciously and unconsciously, how WWE then books the winners in the months following their victories.

 I’d be curious to see if the stats verify that.

Without having researched it (and going from memory) I would guess that out of the RR winners only Mysterio and Del Rio were booked to look weak while out of the MITB winners only Kane would have been booked as a strong champion.

by Mr. Sunny Days on Oct 27, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Spot on

The MITB winner never really gets that victory to give legitimacy to his title reign. Even with The Miz having a long reign, he never really got any victories that put him on the map. They were mostly cheap wins.

I think WWE needs to get over their perceived notion that losing an occasional match clean will destroy a character. I remember Vince McMahon had a quote that the UFC would never have long lasting success because champions lose too often. Just look at the popularity of BJ Penn, Randy Couture, and Chuck Liddell. They all have multiple losses and are still huge fan favorites.

I bet that if Cena actually had just a handful of clean losses over the last few years, he would actually be a little more popular with the older crowd. Also, his losses would give legitimacy to new stars. Double win. I think the title matches with Orton and Henry support this idea.

by Manolo Has Pizzazz on Oct 27, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of such, I’d love to do a little character change to John Cena…

I would want to see Cena reach desperate times where he’s losing far more than he’s winning; he’s stuck in a rut – much like… the Indianapolis Colts team in the past 2 seasons. Whereas we reach a dark period for John Cena and sometimes he’ll have some embarrassing losses. Going into Wrestlemania against the Rock, it’s very questionable to whether if Cena would win or not, more like doubtful. The odds are stacked against Cena here and the Rock is the favorite. So Cena wins against the Rock in a very questionable manner. And this is anticlimactic for John Cena… and for both sides. It’s like a dirty win that you don’t really feel good about.

This makes him between a face and a tweener but I think it’d be pretty refreshing to see this happening to Cena. Thoughts?

by Sir Ingenious on Oct 28, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like your idea, except for the tweener turn. I am kind of against making Cena a heel, mostly because I have no faith in WWE that they can make it awesome and sustainable.

It could be interesting to portray Cena as a real athlete. Maybe his overwhelming schedule and nagging injuries catch up to him. He loses a little confidence. I may even start feeling bad for him, since he seems to be such a swell guy. He can say how he is still wrestling, even through his troubles, for the fans. Kind of work it so kids feel guilty that they are ‘forcing’ him to do this. Cena can show off his acting chops. As Wrestlemania approaches, he can go on a mini win streak against upper mid-carders and then triumphantly beat The Rock. All the kids will rejoice.

This scenario would have to last at least 4 or 5 months. If they did this whole thing in 6 weeks, it would just be garbage. Cena has nothing to do for awhile anyways. He could lose some title shots clean to start his downfall.

I put way too much thought into this.

by Manolo Has Pizzazz on Oct 28, 2011 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you're still reading this...

I think tweeners make the best characters — nobody is perfectly aligned on 1 side, you have shades of grey in you. And it adds richness and several degrees to a character. Either you’re closer to black or to white like yin-yang. John Cena isn’t perfect nor should he be. And I’d like to see this come across on the screen and WWE to follow it up somehow.

Some of the best characters in wrestling were tweeners if you think about it.

by Sir Ingenious on Oct 28, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to disagree

The best characters in wrestling are babyfaces and heels. You know who’s a tweener? Mr. Anderson is a tweener, and his act is terribly unsuccessful. Even in the Attitude heyday, Austin and Rock were babyfaces, just not in a traditional Hulk Hogan way. There was a reason why you cheered for them, because they were the “good guys” in their feuds; they ultimately did what was right.

I think there’s a good difference between adding depth to a character and making them sway from side to side. I’m all for depth, but characters have to have a consistent moral code so that we can understand them. A real babyface shouldn’t side with a heel one time and a babyface the next. If everyone is grey, everyone ends up being bland, especially in a wrestling world where characters are first and foremost and the “competition” aspect of wrestling is diminished in importance.

For example, there’s a good reason why I can still get behind Cena when he gets into his “serious promo” mode, but why I still have a hard time getting behind babyface Randy Orton. One of those two characters is understandable and has a consistent moral code, the other is confusing because I’m supposed to cheer him but he talks about what an awful person he is. Orton is playing a tweener, but how can I cheer him when he talks about the atrocities he has committed over the years? It doesn’t make sense.

by Michael Jong on Oct 28, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

UFC would never have long lasting success because champions lose too often

Vince does know UFC isn’t scripted, right? People win and lose based on skill, not how many t-shirts they sell.

Release...the KITTIES!

by GoForthAndDie on Oct 27, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Oops

Was supposed to be a reply to Manolo Has Pizzazz.

Release...the KITTIES!

by GoForthAndDie on Oct 27, 2011 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow, Batista was champ for 282?

I didn’t watch wrestling during that period- how’d that feel, to have a champ for so long?

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by Brooklyn Dodgers Mets Fan on Oct 28, 2011 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

It was all right!

Unfortunately, that was a time that fans felt Batista was something of a lame character, so the reign was hit or miss. Still, it was the right thing to do, and that title reign firmly established Batista in the main event. It actually would’ve been even longer were it not for his injury that year.

Key note: Cena has also had a title reign of great length during his late 2000’s push. He was champ for 380 days at one point, losing the belt after vacating for an injury of his own. This was the longest title reign since Hulk Hogan’s first turn with the belt in 1984 (the four-year reign).

by Michael Jong on Oct 29, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

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