Can someone explain why Kevin Nash is on WWE television?
by Sergio Hernandez on Oct 25, 2011 1:46 PM EDT
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I'm old.
Okay, I'm not hitting up Luby's Cafeteria for the Early Bird Special nor am I in danger of getting my driver's license taken away but I'm almost thirty, got myself a little family, and my biggest issue isn't what new adult toy to buy -- be it cell phone, flat-screen, or some other brand new tech gizmo -- but what my daughter is going to be for Halloween.
That being said, my old age has some perks and advantages. I can say, "Back in my day..." and not look like a complete tool. I never get carded at the movie theater or the liquor store. And I also have over two decades of wrestling fandom and first-hand knowledge swimming inside my brain.
I saw Shawn Michaels throwing his Rockers partner, Marty Jannetty, through the window of The Barbershop. I can tell you in explicit detail what happened when Rick Rude tried to get fresh with Jake Roberts' wife. And I will never forget how I felt when I found out Owen Hart died.
I've been around the professional wrestling block a few times, longer than any ring rat -- excluding Missy Hyatt -- and have run the gauntlet through the hills and valleys. I remember when Diesel was the WWF World Champion in the mid-90s, I remember when Kevin Nash showed up on WCW Nitro in 1996. The latter was fantastic but the former was pretty mundane.
I don't have knowledge of that because I saw the Monday Night Wars DVD or because I read reports online. I remember because I'm old and I saw it happen. That's a luxury that young wrestling fans don't have. That stuff happened over a decade ago; they would have been in diapers.
And yet here we are, with Kevin Nash as a main player on WWE RAW. It's something no one asked for and certainly didn't want.
So why do we have it?
I can't help but place the blame solely on Triple H.
He and Nash have been pals for years now and I can't see Vince McMahon clamoring to bring back "Big Daddy Cool," who was one of the worst drawing champions in modern history. Triple H -- with buddies Nash, Scott Hall, and Shawn Michaels -- pretty much held political sway over the booking in the early to mid-90s. They effectively controlled the main event scene and helped run Shane Douglas and Bam Bam Bigelow out of the WWF.
And it seems they're at it again.
Nash's list of cons is plentiful: he isn't a proven draw (the only time he did draw was during the early days of the NWO), he has a litany of past injuries and heart issues, and is closer to 100-years of age than he is birth.
His list of pros?
If you can name something, I'd love to hear it. I've exhausted all possibilities and simply can't fathom why Nash was brought in when the role of "guy who runs in, interferes, and beats up Triple H" could have been taken over by someone the WWE already had on the payroll and could actually elevate, like Wade Barrett or Ezekiel Jackson.
They could have even called up Seth Rollins -- Tyler Black from Ring of Honor (ROH) -- or have Claudio Castagnoli bypass the Florida Championship Wrestling (FCW) development system altogether and have him debut.
But why would any of these men attack Triple H? It's wrestling, come up with an excuse. Say they were hired by "someone." We all know that storyline-wise John Laurinaitis -- and possibly Vince McMahon -- are pulling the strings and are behind "The Game" being ousted as RAW General Manager. This would only serve to fuel those theories.
I'm old. I remember when Kevin Nash was cool. But that was a long time ago. A lifetime, really, for a pro wrestling fan. A 15-year old WWE fan couldn't care less about "Big Sexy." They have no emotional connection to him.
They (the young fans) don't care. We (the old fans) don't like it.
But the WWE decides to waste time -- nearly half an hour last night alone -- on Kevin Nash.
Why?
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not enough bis stars or stars in the making, at least in managements eyes. They don’t look at the big picture anymore, imo they just do the booking looking for better ratings the next week or better buys at the pay per view.
To be the man, you got to beat the man!!
by wisco on Oct 25, 2011 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nash's use
Should be the same as Triple H’s and any other “star” north of 40. To make create the next generation of stars.
Writer (and a handsome one at that),
And the Valley Shook
Well it's politcs
This is what you get when you have someone like HHH helping run the promotion. Instead of bringing up the talent that’s ready to go like Dean Ambrose aka Jon Moxley and the names already listed along with a couple others, they’d rather waste air time on someone who is more than past their prime. Come now, it shouldn’t be a surprise. They spent a half hour just building this angle up last night and if that wasn’t an indication of things to come then later on in the night, they still showed “what happened earlier”. It’s a croc of shit. One of the worst shows of the year. Add the fact that WWE are making themselves out to be hypocrites by saying stand up to bullying when they are doing it to JR on a weekly basis. Last night was just disgusting and I almost gagged just watching how shitty they can be in poking fun at not just JR but heavy people in general while some monkey hobbit named Michael Cole gets off on it. Am I the only one that sees how fucked up this company is? Obviously JR is to stupid by the money he is getting to say something so it’s hard to feel bad about someone when they do nothing about it and stick up for the very place that’s embarrassing you whenever they basically want. I was taught to fight for what you believe in and I wouldn’t put up with half the shit JR’s has been dealing with. No matter how much I’m getting paid. It still doesn’t justify this company or any other one treating their employees like shit. Especially in front of millions of people but WWE fans are fucking idiots and are to stupid to think for themselves while spending their money on going to shows like this while letting their kids be poisoned by the stuff that’s being shown on a weekly basis. They’d rather choose to be the sheeple they are instead of finding an alternative solution because WWE just like those shitty reality shows are poisoning society making it seem that it’s alright to do the things they do on tv. Sure parents and older people know better but the kids don’t. So who’s the real blame here? Stop being a follower and be a fucking leader already free yourself from the ignorance that WWE is letting your mind stay closed all the time.
by congestedthoughts on Oct 25, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions
And as you say this… you will tune in next week at 9pm EST.
by Rawuncutnxrated on Oct 25, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Well say what you want about Kevin Nash but at least he gives me an my son something to bet on while watching wrestling.Its always here he is how he will hurt himself this time.I always go with walking because lord knows he cant wrestle.
by Jon Manson on Oct 25, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Damn I like the idea
Of Claudio in that role. I’m dreading his eventual call-up and subsequent burial.
by George Washington Eagleclaw on Oct 25, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions
So if Kevin Nash has no value then why use Rock, Jericho, Foley and Austin? I mean let’s be for real no matter how much someone wants to hate on the cliq or nWo, Kevin Nash is a big name. He’s not a great worker or a great draw but so what? Does that mean he shouldn’t be used? No, he should be because he does have value. It’s Kevin Nash not the Brooklyn Brawler or the Red Rooster coming back. It’s not Disco Inferno!
There is a general hate for anyone connected to HHH not named Shawn Michaels. Shawn Waltman is a great worker that still has ability to teach young guys but if he came in everyone would say why not push Justin Gabriel instead of bringing in “wrong kinda heat” Shawn Waltman. Given the quality of workers on the WWE roster, I defy anyone to name 15 workers on WWE’s main roster that is better than Waltman. But because he’s “HHH’s” guy he stuck on the outside looking in at a moment when he should have more to offer. Waltman knows how to teach guys like Bourne and Gabriel how to work a high flying style in WWE and get Vince to notice you.
When you have the chance to get Rock, Nash, Jericho, Foley, or Austin to come in and work then you should do it because it’s something different. If Nash pairs up with Awesome Truth I ahve no issue with that at all and I think it would work well.
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by Major on Oct 25, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Comparing Nash to...
The Rock, Foley, and Austin is laughable.
Jericho at least was around just a couple of years ago.
by Sergio Hernandez on Oct 25, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
What is laughable?
if you’re going to talk about talent that are past their prime being involved in the show when younger guys should be pushed over them then it is relevant to include Foley, Rock, Jericho and Austin. All four will have spots on Wrestlemania and be features ahead of younger talent.
What is Austin going to do that he hasn’t done before? Same with Foley, Jericho and Rock. They aren’t fresh! Austin and Foley are just as physically limited as Kevin Nash is, both having degenerative knee issues and Austin having his neck problems.
The fact of the matter is, like it or not Kevin Nash is one of the biggest names in the attitude era. If you had to make a list of the top ten attitude era stars Nash would make it Jericho would not. It’s total BS to insinuate that Nash is a nothing performer. The man drew money.
1995 – 1. Shinya Hashimoto; 2. Ric Flair; 3. Antonio Inoki; 4. Konnan and Keiji Muto; 6. Perro Aguayo; 7. Masahiro Chono; 8. Mitsuharu Misawa and Cien Caras; 10. Nobuhiko Takada and Diesel
1996 – 1. Nobuhiko Takada; 2. Shawn Michaels; 3. Shinya Hashimoto; 4. Bret Hart; 5. Keiji Muto; 6. Diesel; 7. Ric Flair, Kenta Kobashi, Toshiaki Kawada, Akira Taue, Vader, Genichiro Tenryu, El Hijo del Santo and Riki Choshu
1997 – 1. Shinya Hashimoto; 2. Undertaker; 3. Shawn Michaels; 4. Bret Hart; 5. Naoya Ogawa; 6. Lex Luger and Keiji Muto; 8. Steve Austin; 9. Hulk Hogan; 10. Riki Choshu, Kevin Nash and Mick Foley
1998 – 1. Steve Austin (set all-time record for most big gates in one year); 2. Undertaker; 3. Kane; 4. Mick Foley; 5. The Rock; 6. Bill Goldberg; 7. Hulk Hogan; 8. HHH; 9. Sting; 10. Randy Savage
1999 – 1. The Rock (set all-time record for most big gates in one year); 2. Steve Austin; 3. HHH; 4. Big Show; 5. Kane; 6. Undertaker; 7. Keiji Muto; 8. Bill Goldberg; 9. Ric Flair; 10. Kevin Nash
Nash is right there in the thick of the top earners and throw in the nWo on top of that. He’s a crap worker, a decent promo, but he has a place in the show if you book him right. There is no reason to shit on him because he’s not an IWC favorite.
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He's not...
In the thick. He’s at the tail end of every list save for 1996 which was when the nWo started. And the years you listed were 10-15 years ago. 1995, he was champion for nearly the entire year and was only the 10th place draw?
Really?
Does he have a place in the show if you book him right? Sure. Is the first 20 minutes of RAW that place? Hell no.
by Sergio Hernandez on Oct 25, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
OK I actually thought you knew what you were talking about
To be 10th of all wrestlers in the entire WORLD means something. In 1995 he was champion and with Ric Flair they are the only American wrestlers on the list at a time when wrestling was in the toilet. Where is Hogan, Savage, HBK and Bret Hart? I don’t see any of them on the list in 1995. Making this list 4 out of 5 years in his 40’s mean something.
Really! I don’t see Bret Hart or HBK or Hogan on the list in 1995!
Nothing about the segment on Raw bothered me at all. Typically, the opening segment of Raw is the lowest rated of the damn show anyway. The prime spot, top of the 10pm hour, went to Punk/ADR.
People pick the most asinine useless things to complain about. Guess what that segment did, it moved HHH off TV, it placed Nash in a spot that doesn’t involve him messing with the main event players eg. Punk/Cena.
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by Major on Oct 25, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nash was...
The face of the WWE in 1995 and was ranked 10th in 1995.
When Shawn was the face in 1996, he was second. In 1997, third.
Austin and Rock were number one in 1998 and 1999.
All these men had the WWE on their shoulders and were in the top three draws. Not Nash.
And the opening segment — as Geno said — is the BIGGEST part of the show. Are you that dense?
by Sergio Hernandez on Oct 25, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently I am
Geno is wrong. The opening segment of RAW is not the most important. They have always, always valued the top of the 10pm hour more than the opening segment. Lastly, the CLOSING segment is the MOST important segment on a wrestling show, hence why they announced the Survivor Series main event at the end of the show and not the beginning!!!!! Are you that dense!!!!
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There's obviously...
No point in continuing this argument.
If you can’t see Kevin Nash for the poison he is, go back to watching your old 1998-2000 WCW VHS tapes.
by Sergio Hernandez on Oct 25, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not booking the damn show!
If he was the booker then that is different story
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You also failed...
To mention that Jericho is ranked 10th, 6th, and 5th from 2000 to 2002.
Jericho has an overall higher ranking in those three years than Nash had in his five and reached a higher ranking than Nash ever did.
by Sergio Hernandez on Oct 25, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You failed to mention
that 1996-99 where much bigger years in wrestling and those years the business earned 3x’s more than the years when Jericho and Cena and HHH and Mistico dominated in the 2000’s.
So in effect, being ranked 10th in 1997 could be of greater value than being ranked 5th or 6th in any year Jericho was in the 2000’s. NOW, add on to the fact that Nash was part of the nWo which made wrestling HOT again in the first place.
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Seriously, you keep...
Bring up stuff from FIFTEEN YEARS AGO.
You know what else was hot 15 years ago? The Godfather and the Ho Train. Let’s bring that back, why don’t we? We could also have the Hardcore title defended 24/7, that was popular too!
Kevin Nash is HISTORICALLY seen as a terrible draw. Those are the facts.
by Sergio Hernandez on Oct 25, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
And so has Jericho
Those are also facts. Are you done? Would you like to continue?
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You brought up...
Jericho, not me. And he isn’t polluting RAW right now so there’s no point in talking about him.
And no, I don’t want to continue.
by Sergio Hernandez on Oct 25, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see where Nash is polluting Raw or has polluted Raw
even if you hated that segment so what did they kill the business last night? Was that Booker T/Buff Bagwell? Jesus Christ you fucks come up with some bs to complain about and have zero to back shit up with
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So unless...
A segment kills the business, I’m not allowed to complain?
Duly noted, thanks for the heads up.
by Sergio Hernandez on Oct 25, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And for the...
Record, I was actually excited when Nash popped up the first time and attacked CM Punk. It was shocking and interesting and I was eager to see how it played out.
But I have no interest in seeing a 52-year old man who led the WWF to one of its worst years in history involved in a terrible 20 minute segment with his best friend.
by Sergio Hernandez on Oct 25, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
To your first point I do not care if you were excited about
Nash at any point. The point is that Nash should be given a chance and shit on because he’s HHH’s best friend or because he isn’t the best worker on the planet.
Second point, Yes Nash is 52, yes Nash was the champion during a horrible period in American wrestling but guess what, so was Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels. Does that diminish their value as well?
The segment entertained some people and didn’t entertain others. For me, I have no problem with it.
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Dude, quit playin'
You know Kevin Nash doesn’t need to take up a quarter of WWE television. Stop it.
Thats your opinion change the channel when he's on
I don’t care but for me Kevin Nash is fine on TV. I have no issue with him on TV at all none.
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Well, for some people Ric Flair wrestling Sting a few weeks back was okay. That doesn’t mean people can’t complain about it. I want to watch wrestling, not turn the channel because RAW makes me.
It’s cool you’re still a Kevin Nash fan 15 years after he was last able to walk without hurting himself, but please don’t let the WWE in on the fact that there is an actual Kevin Nash fan still out there. Maybe they’ll get the hint soon and start to highlight current and future stars on television.
Look I'm not even a Kevin Nash mark
I’m simply stating what was done has value and was good booking! I just don’t see any problem with it at all. It is fine. It’s not important in the scheme of things. But also lets realize that Nash is on the show because he has value.
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Um...
The point is that Nash should be given a chance and shit on because he’s HHH’s best friend or because he isn’t the best worker on the planet.
I DID give him a chance. That was the… point…
by Sergio Hernandez on Oct 25, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Well they booked Nash and HHH
AWAY from Punk/Cena/ADR and the WWE belt. It took 20 minutes but that was good booking and it lessened the convoluted storyline that was going no where. I just don’t see why that segment is getting such bad press when Nash and HHH can play off in the corner while Punk and Cena generate the real business.
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so what that he is hhh friend. 90 percent of the world works like this. people will always choose a known friend over unknown. this site is know diff when geno took over he could of very easliy got new ppl in here to help run the site instead, he choose some of the mania men. maybe it hurt the site maybe it helped. i just know that is how the world works buddy system has been used since the dawn of man.
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
A truism
I agree with you but problems arise when ppl assume you have no viable value because your buddy got you your spot. Nash is getting hit because of being in a program with his buddy and thats ok. But to say Nash has no value at all is unfair. I don’t mind seeing him jack knife ppl and not talk. That’s fine as long as he puts some young star over and is not champion at any point. What he has done so far, I have no issue with.
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your applying theory to a fact.
In theory, it would be great for him to show up and wreck shop and be what essentially Kane and Goldberg were at the start of their careers. Have someone else using him as a puppet..just shut up and muscle over everyone that is in his puppeteers way. But the fact is that they do give him lines. They do give him too much story time dedicated to speaking, which he makes look so painstakingly difficult. Then you make him freestyle against the best talker in the game? and then the next time you use him he hits triple H with a hammer and he falls into a seizure? lmao No ones saying it can’t work, but the fact is, they’re making it kind of painful to watch any segment that they throw him in. and attacking tripleH at a vengeance match wouldnt have been a terrible idea except for the fact that it cost Punk the match. they let that story line completely overshadow the company’s 2nd biggest star.
They aren't dotting the I's and crossing the T's
with the booking of late(actually the last decade). Nash needs to just be a simple bad ass then he gets beat by someone new and cool before he crumbles into a wheelchair. I will shit all over this if HHH destroys Nash and then Nash get sent to the WWE Network to host a TV show.
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You know that's coming.
You can’t honestly think they’re headed for anything else.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
I hear ya.
Feeling the same. If anything, Nash should go over Triple H. Have “The Game” give him the endorsement and make him strong for an angle with some of the mid-card guys at Mania next year. That would be a great way to do this thing.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
When has Nash ever put over a young mid-card guy over properly?
by Keith Harris on Oct 26, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
when geno took over he could of very easliy got new ppl in here to help run the site instead, he choose some of the mania men.
It’s actually very difficult to get people to come in and help run the site. I would love to have a few more folks writing here but it’s not nearly as easy as you try to say it is.
That said, Sergio is a good writer with a strong opinion here. Nothing wrong with everyone feeling differently on the subject. I’m loving the discussion.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Geno
Cageside is better than it’s ever been. Sergio is a very good writer and I read all his stuff. You guys are doing a tremendous job and I love the debate as well. I don’t want to seem combative but I do believe in my opinion. Not afraid to admit when I’m wrong and Sergio made good points as well.
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by Major on Oct 25, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
please
dont take it as a insult to sergio or the site, i was trying use it as a way to explain the nash is only here, cause he is trips friend and not cause he has areal value to the product. now the onus is on wwe to maximiz it and we have to see were it goes. i would imagine its tougher to write i know its a moutian i could not climb
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
Definitely didn't take it as an insult
just wanted to clarify. :)
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Bret Hart is a top 10 all-time on anyones list
and he wrestled a year ago and it was fuckin embarrassment. You get old, you lose your step. Wrestling is the same as anything in pop culture. Yeah it was cool to see Michael Jackson try to tour at 50 but all the new music he put out was garbage and he wasnt the same person. U very much have a time and place in history and trying to come back and recreate a fragment of the old mojo you used to have just has such a low success rate. He didn’t do anything to deserve his place in the WWE right now anyway.
I'm a Bret Hart, HBK mark through and through
Although I think HBK is the greatest of all time, Bret Hart isn’t far behind. Had Bret not had a concussion or the stroke, I have no problem saying that Bret would’ve had a much better showing at Mania than he did.
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I am too(in regards to Bret Hart/HBK mark). And about that concussion…we should totally confront Goldberg about that.
"Don't be limited by fixed ideas nor by some trifling common sense...break the standards!"
by The One Who Wears The Crown on Oct 25, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
just joined
Been lurking for some time. I have to say in my opinion major owned this lil tit for tat, I’m not a huge nash fan but he has a value if used correctly could a new face take his spot maybe but it would lack the emotional connection to the older fans that know the history between the two. And that’s who I feel there after getting some of us back into it
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
Thanks for joining.
I can see both sides of the argument here. Major is right when he says Nash has value to the company because he definitely does. I think we can all agree, though, that we just don’t want to see him clogging up the main event. If he’s going to be off doing a program with his buddy Triple H that doesn’t really hurt anything. Spending as much time as they did on it last night was a bit excessive, I felt, but again, I don’t think they’re actively hurting the business right now. Had they gone on with Nash-Punk, that would have sucked and I"m not even really keen on Nash vs. Triple H at this time but it’s not the worst thing in the world.
Major — I’ve always read that the show open was the big money segment, the show close was next and the start of the second hour was third. I know WWE does its best to try to make sure they have the three big storylines in those spots. Maybe you’re right and I’m wrong but I had always read otherwise. Interesting, either way.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
i agree
That’s its not a money match for me personally. I just see it as the powers that be wanting to deepn there fan base a lil. Maybe the rock would do it all the same. I just feel you would not get the impact using a new guy. Same as why I would shit on a wade barret or someone of equal standing getting a chance at the streak. Also I thank I flaged a comment when I wanted to rec one sorry if it cause the admin any headaches. Sincere mia copa
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
I agree
If we were about to see Punk/Nash headline survivor series then that is a disaster. I was simply happy that they moved Nash and HHH to a sidebar and if it took 20 minutes to do that than ok. Sure the angle could’ve been shorter but it did what it was supposed to do. I didn’t feel it was so terrible and that Nash was such a bad presence.
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Basically, WWE is TNA but on a much bigger and more expensive scale. Am I correct?
by Sir Ingenious on Oct 25, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, TNA is WWE on a much smaller and less expensive scale. In either point of view we are both correct. That’s what happens when TNA has WWE/WCW guys in every position of power.
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Technically, given the money they've lost, TNA is on a far more expensive scale.
"Pain or damage don't end the world; or despair, or F*ckin beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment coming. Stand it like a man, and give some back." -Al Swearengen
Whine much?
I love when people feel the need to whine about something that hasn’t happened yet. Nash has made a very tiny appearance so far. Yes, it could lead to something you don’t like, but it could also surprise you and lead to something good. Both HHH and Nash know they’re not meant to be around for much longer, and Nash has already said he’s more than willing to come in and do the job to elevate someone. And for all of HHH’s faults, he’s not trying to bury the WWE – he’ll do what he has to to take this company to the next level. So let’s see where this leads before everyone starts complaining.
You know...
I took this stance when the WWE started screwing up the Punk angle.
So let’s see where this leads before everyone starts complaining.
They’ve lost all their good faith with me. Last night’s opening segment was so awful that I didn’t even bother watching the rest of the show.
by Sergio Hernandez on Oct 25, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
So
then you didn’t stay to watch your boy CM Punk end up in a title program with Del Rio? I would think that would be the EXACT thing you’d be looking for.
by TheCrow4Life on Oct 25, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You're...
Right. I’m glad Punk is feuding with ADR now. But with the World Series on, I just didn’t care to finish watching RAW.
by Sergio Hernandez on Oct 25, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
So let’s see where this leads before everyone starts complaining.
We’ve been doing that since InVasion.
Fuck off.
"Respond intelligently even to unintelligent treatment."
-Lao Tzu
Yes, yes it is
The MIB will be there shortly. Do not run, do not resist.
Release...the KITTIES!
by GoForthAndDie on Oct 25, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The WWE product is terrible, but I’m not a member of the audience WWE is interested in. Every time HHH or Orton comes out to a big pop I am totally baffled. I was not interested in seeing Kevin Nash in 1998, and I’m not interested in seeing him now. These performers are totally uninteresting to me. But I realize that they are not going to suddenly reboot the entire organization and put on Davey Richards vs. Bryan Danielson in a best-of-three-falls match at 10:00 next Monday, or devote the next PPV to a huge international cruiserweight tournament. So what can I do? I put on Raw for a while, am disgusted by it, and go back to waiting for the ROH show on Saturday.
As a fan, you have dealt with this sorta thing for years. We vent all of our frustration on the WWE product (and the TNA product as well), just when we all know in the back of our minds that more trash will be churned out in the future. Why don’t we all just abandon WWE and watch something better or to put it specifically: more relevant to our interests, just like what we all (or most of us, actually) did with TNA?
I get it, we are wrestling fans and we hope for something better. But let’s face another thing, things aren’t going to change. It is what it is. If we all or most of us tuned out of the TNA product, then why can’t we do the same for WWE? Shimmer, ROH, and many of other wrestling products are available for us to watch.
Or to simply put: let’s save us the stress and pent up frustration and just tune out of this product for an extended amount of time… or forever. This is like going into a gas chamber and hoping that the gas will eventually lift, only when you’re only adding stress onto yourself. Just get out.
I have a question: what makes a wrestling fan watch WWE when they know it’s mostly crap nowadays? What do they get out of it? Why can’t we watch something better or more relevant to our interests (which is easily available)?
And to add onto this: the older demographic have gotten the hint and knew what to do. The WWE got worse, so they bailed and watched MMA, something that’s more relevant to their interests. And a much superior product.
by Sir Ingenious on Oct 25, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s sorta like when you marry a chick when she’s in her mid 20’s. The body is right, the head is great, it a wonderful life. By the time that chick turns 35, the head ain’t what it used to be and the body was taken away with the first kid. Regardless of the asthetics, you love your wife.
WWE today is like an old broke up wife you don’t want to touch anymore. You still love her but she’s focused on herself and finding that old swag she used to have. So she gets new boobs and a tummy tuck(hot shot booking). Only to come out looking like an empty, plastic, vanilla version of her former self. When she looks in the mirror she loves her looks but when you look at her you want to vomit.
Thats WWE. They think they look like a fresh 20 year old but they really look old and cheap. But you love her.
Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...
Speaking of analogies...
TNA is like this 40 year old foreveralone cougar who is desperate for any man’s attention. So she gets a bunch of plastic surgeries and changes her hairstyle, fashion and whatever within every five seconds only just to look worse with each attempt. And to begin with, she’s just doomed herself when she’s entirely focused on competing with her married friends only when she only has to merely focus on herself.
Anyways, with that wife you just described, all the man have to do is venture out and look at other women. And then he has affairs with them behind his wife’s back and etc, etc. And remember, love is purely conditional – there’s no such thing as unconditional love. And another thing to note: women age like beer while men age like wine. We have way more options as we age while women doesn’t. As fans, we have options of what we can choose to watch or not.
by Sir Ingenious on Oct 25, 2011 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That's being kind.
I thought TNA was a 50 year old transsexual…….Chaz Bono.
"Pain or damage don't end the world; or despair, or F*ckin beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment coming. Stand it like a man, and give some back." -Al Swearengen
TNA is...
That ugly girl you knew in high school who got freakin’ banging afterwards. So you’re all about her and then you figure out she’s got the herp and then she develops a nasty drug habit.
So you left looking at her and all the ruined potential and what could have been.
Oh, I got it. TNA is Lohan. New slogan, bam.
by Sergio Hernandez on Oct 25, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, there’s a lot of win in that statement you’ve just made, sir.
And Kal, don’t mention Chaz Bono’s name… ever. I get a lot of negative feelings, especially in the pit of my stomach each time I look at it. But yeah, that’s also an accurate statement towards TNA, honestly.
by Sir Ingenious on Oct 25, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
please
dont take it as a insult to sergio or the site, i was trying use it as a way to explain the nash is only here, cause he is trips friend and not cause he has areal value to the product. now the onus is on wwe to maximiz it and we have to see were it goes. i would imagine its tougher to write i know its a moutian i could not climb
He knows the guy with the bandage on his ass is going no were. Were you going fucking no were
well I'd like to think that maybe this company will be better after Vince McMahon is dead
but the fact is it’s going to get taken over by his idiotic daughter and his doofus son-in-law and the rest of his stupid family.
by Lexxi on Oct 25, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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