Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: NFL Players Ready To Welcome Gay Teammate

How UFC's attempts to control the media and unwritten message board rules distort MMA news coverage

Oliver Copp: UFC Insider (A Quinn Martin Production)

For the second time in five months, the same stupid thing has happened.  A UFC-credentialed reporter posts a newsworthy item not as a story on their usual website, but on the F4WOnline/Wrestling Observer subscribers' message board.  A contributor for SBN picks it up, and then the credentialed reporter throws a fit and acts like a major foul has been committed even thought the SBN writer did nothing wrong.  It's utterly ridiculous and symptomatic of some major problems.

The first was incident was when Oliver Copp of UFC.com and F4WOnline threw hissy fit in April when Keith Harris reported on this very site about Copp's and Dave Meltzer's comments about Vince McMahon trying to get UFC banned in major European markets and it was then picked up by our sister SBN blogs (including Watch Kalib Run) and various MMA news sites such as The Underground.


Someone started a thread about the WKR version of the story on the F4WOnline board, and Oliver replied with this:

Yay... taking quotes from here outside the context of a discussion and putting your own spin on it. Way to go!

This is the type of thing that'll get me to stop posting inside info on the Board, sadly. For the past three years plus, it's never been a problem. Apparently that has changed.

To which Keith replied:

I didn't spot this thread until now, just in case anyone thought I was running scared. If it was just a cryptic remark by Oliver that would be one thing, but Dave corroborated the story. It's a genuine news story, I don't think I shouldn't be allowed to discuss it on a fan blog or another message board (though if Dave disagrees he can have a quiet word with me about it). It wasn't like I was making stuff up and falsely attributing it to Dave like other sites do. Disagree with my spin all you like, but I did my best to put the comments in their full context.

Personally I think genuine news stories shouldn't be buried on the message board, where print only subscribers can't access them. They pay good money too.

Keith was right: It was a major news story.  On a public message board, Oliver told the story and Dave confirmed it.  Keith gave it the proper context in his post.  Where's the foul?  On top of that., why didn't Dave (or partner Bryan Alvarez) end up reporting the story on the main site, on Yahoo Sports (Dave's other gig), or in their newsletters?

Pretty much the same thing happened this week.  Jeremy Botter of Heavy.com posted on the same forum about how many of the "fans" asking questions at the Chael Sonnen Q&A session were plants.  S.C. Michaelson of WKR posted about it (and crossposted it here at Cageside Seats).  Botter cried foul requested that his name and the quote where he reported the item be removed from the post.

So I suppose that at this point you're asking "Bix, why did this happen when Keith and S.C. did nothing wrong?"  Well, there's more than one issue at play here.  As has been intimated in the past on various sites, UFC keeps a very tight leash on its credentialed reporters.  That's presumably why Copp (who also works for UFC), Botter, Meltzer, and Alvarez never reported these stories in their usual outlets.

So I'm sure that now you're asking "Why did they post this on a public message board, then?"  Well, that's because F4WOnline's infamous board is infamous for a reason to the point that it's deservedly referred to as "The 4chan of wrestling boards."  It's a bizarre, wildly offensive, mean-spirited mix of crazyness that just happens to feature several credentialed UFC reporters among its ranks.  Thanks to various in-person meetups, especially at UFC events, there's a sense of community for some of the posters that serves as an odd counterpoint to the endless trolling.  This sense of community seemingly made Copp and Botter think that they were just kibitzing with friends off the record even they never declared anything to that effect.

Don't get pissed off when you post news on a public message board (albeit one that's part of a pay site) and someone picks up on it.  Just because you think it's a "wacky" community filled with your sociopathic buddies making ridiculous Photoshops doesn't mean that it's a private off the record discussion not to be breached. On top of that, don't you dare say we took your comments out of context when we did the exact opposite, and especially when a fellow reporter like Dave Meltzer followed up your post with full corroboration. 

If you learned of a story in a legitimate manner, then report it.  Don't keep it hidden in a cesspool of a message board that wrestling and MMA fans who actually have shame try to stay away from (Keith has shame, he just tries to use the forum for good instead of evil).  If you heard about it off the record, then why the hell are you repeating it on a public forum, much less that forum?

If you're a reporter and want to play "I AM TEH UFC INSIDER!" on a public message board, then you need to be an adult and face the consequences.

Comment 8 comments  |  2 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

And...

boom goes the dynamite.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
CagesideSeats.com
Follow me on Twitter at GenoMrosko

by Geno Mrosko on Sep 17, 2010 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesome.

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Sep 17, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I like the post...

but you end up missing (to my mind) on talking about how Zuffa controls media coverage of the UFC. It wasn’t so long ago that the UFC’s draconian contract practices and attempts to make “backroom” deals with the fighters without having their representation present was being talked about online (I believe sherdog reported on it) Also attempting to block fighters that attempt to unionize, the terrible wages in the sport etc etc. All things that could be brought up, but at least someone is speaking up a little bit about how terrble Zuffa is to the fighters, it goes far beyond Dana White saying that Fedor is a washed up bum, the real problem is the criminal (to my mind) business practices of Zuffa.

Jonathan Snowden: The Glenn Beck of MMA reporting.

by Kidroll on Sep 17, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Seeing feuds like this blossom in real time

Is probably the best thing about twitter.

"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-

by Neil Manich on Sep 17, 2010 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

This is where Pro Wrestling Insider Scoopz and real sport reporting meet. Dave has a tendancy to do this type of discloser/“reporting” too in regards to Flair post WWE and the like.

Bizarrely they think posting on subscriber message board visited by ,000s is a private conversation.

P.S. Dont be too harsh on Olly, he’s a swell dude.

by rovert on Sep 17, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I still mess with TNM7 when I get bored. Good dude that Copp is.

CagesideSeats.com.
Follow me on Twitter.

by John Lamb on Sep 17, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Unless in the members only terms and conditions there’s anything resembling a gag order or non-disclosure agreement, they’re s*it out of luck. And even if there was, they would have done something by now unless they know they have no way of enforcing it (which they don’t).

by KJ Gould on Sep 17, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Follow up - Isn't part of your paid membership to receive "inside" information?

The site isn’t free and nor is all of the information within it.

If journalists such as you (I use the term loosely) don’t have the contacts or dedication to source this information for yourself then for god’s sake don’t come on hear and complain about it.

by Boosh on Sep 17, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

here! here!

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Nate Wilcox on Sep 17, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hear/here bothers me almost as much as your/you’re. It’s not hard, people.

CagesideSeats.com.
Follow me on Twitter.

by John Lamb on Sep 17, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poor spelling makes me uncomfortable. Always has. I know this particular instance isn’t a spelling issue but I just thought I’d throw that out there.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
CagesideSeats.com
Follow me on Twitter at GenoMrosko

by Geno Mrosko on Sep 17, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

But this isnt really news though it certainly isnt posted so. Neither Dave or Bryan posted either in their respective newsletters, audio shows or front page. It is some guy posting as a poster company secrets.

by rovert on Sep 17, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

"Behind you there may be one, or there may be many, waiting to stick a knife in your back. But you don't have to worry about me ... I'll shoot you right between the eyes." -- Kevin Nash

The General

Solidsnake_small Geno Mrosko

Editors

Small Keith Harris

Bane2_small Jesse Holland

File1684_small Sergio Hernandez