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The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: TNA HardCORE Justice 8.8.2010

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Well...that was something else.

Quick Results:

- The FBI (Tracy Smothers, Little Guido, and Tony Luke) with Big Sal defeated Kid Kash, Simon Diamond, and Johnny Swinger when Guido pinned Diamond with the Sicilian Drop.

- 2 Cold Scorpio defeated CW Anderson with an inverted 450 leg drop.

- Stevie Richards defeated PJ Polaco with the Stevie Kick. 

- Three Way Dance: Rhino defeated Brother Runt and Al Snow. Runt eliminated Snow with an Acid Drop, but was Gored by Rhino.

- Team 3D (Brother Ray and Brother Devon) defeated Axl Rotten and Cajones (formerly Balls Mahoney) after powerbombing Kahoneys through a flaming table.

- Raven defeated Tommy Dreamer with the Evenflow DDT. 

- TNA World Heavyweight Champion Rob Van Dam defeated Sabu with the Five Star Frog Splash


The Good

  • Al Snow / Stevie Richards / Hollywood Nova - Awesome backstage promo that took a ton of jabs at the potential legal ramifications of Hardcore Justice. The fake Meanie wearing a BW2.O shirt was pretty funny as was Snow asking Nova where his scooter was and Nova's response, "In a warehouse in Stanford, or in a toilet bowl, where your career would be if not for Head." The Lupus cameo was the cherry on top of a very entertaining backstage skit.

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  • 2 Cold Scorpio - 2 Cold still has it despite being 44 years old. The dude can flat out perform. He kind of fell off my radar once he went over to Japan but it is great to see that he can still work an awesome match. All of his high spots were so crisp and precise. The 450 back flip leg drop was a thing of beauty. He is one guy I would like to see show up in TNA because he could definitely put on some great matches with most members of the X Division. 
  • Where Are They Now? - I actually liked these quick vignettes. Pretty cool to see what some of the people who couldn't make it (or had the self-respect not to show up) thought about Hardcore Justice. Love the Philadelphia accents from Meanie, Gary Wolfe and Francine. 
  • JOEL GERTNER~!  - What more needs to be said? As Mike Tenay said, he hasn't lost his touch: "It is I, the bacon in her eggs. The man for whom she begs and the face between her legs...the lyrical miracle, the sexual intellectual and the quintessential studmuffin, Joel 'Lady Gaga advocates celibacy...what an absolute disgrace...if she won't let me stuff her muff then I'll just poke her face' Gertner. Back together tonight with my running buddies, my colleagues in chaos. Ask the tag teams that they've decimated, they all know why they're so decorated. They are the biggest, the baddest, the sickest and most vicious, the most extreme, hardcore tag team in the wrestling business yesterday, today and forever. From New York City, at a total combined weight of 569 pounds, they are the Dud....TEAM 3D"
  • Extreme Light Saber Battle - I laughed.
  • New Jack / Jeremy Borash / So Cal Val - A surprisingly low key and lucid backstage segment from New Jack. To Val: "What up white girl? You know what they say about black men? Once you go black...you get bad credit." To JB: "I guess that makes you my bitch." I laughed some more.
  • Rob Van Dam vs. Sabu - I want to make it clear that I don't think this match was good in the sense that it will be looked upon fondly in the future but it was good considering the expectations going into the main event. Sabu has a lot of miles on his engine but he still delivered a watchable match. Certainly not to the level of some their past battles but okay nonetheless. Sabu did get a lot of offense in on the champ which makes me wonder if that will play into RVD's match with Abyss on Thursday night.

The Bad

  • I Remember... - Are we supposed to care what AJ Styles, Angelina Love and Matt Morgan think about ECW? You went to school in Hawaii but lived at the Jersey Shore, Mr. Morgan? Jesse Neal went to see a show in Kissimmee, FL?
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  • Tony Luke / P.J. Polaco / Cajones / 'The Original Era' / 'That Hardcore Company' / 'The Philadelphia Promotion' / The Van Assassin - I understand that TNA had to tip toe around the use of ECW and some of the trademarks that the WWE now owns but c'mon, son. There were a ton more examples that really demonstrated just how third-rate this pay-per-view was.
  • The Final Showdown Between Tommy Dreamer and Raven- How many times has this feud come to a head and then been reignited? Too many times is the correct answer. Dreamer beat Raven in a Loser Leaves ECW match, became an ECW Tag Team champion with Raven when he came crawling back from WCW, feud with Raven again after they lost the belts, feuded with him AGAIN in the WWE, defeated him in a Loser Leaves Raw match, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Their match was essentially every match they ever had in ECW except much, much slower and not nearly as captivating. The reason why the feud originally worked was because Tommy could never, ever pin Raven so once he scored that first victory at Wrestlepalooza '97 the feud was over. The only entertaining spots were the barbed wire cross face that Dreamer applied to Raven and Dreamer's DDT despite being handcuffed.
  • The Wrestling - Outside of Scorpio/CW Anderson and RVD/Sabu the wrestling just was not pay-per-view quality. It wasn't offensive by any stretch of the imagination but it certainly not worth $34.95. One Night Stand still had the novelty of being the first real reunion so even if some of the action was substandard it was okay because it was all about celebrating the legacy of ECW. The novelty has long since worn off making this pay-per-view feel like one last money grab for some of the old timers. 

The Ugly

  • Simon Diamond - Man, he got big. Real big.
  • The Extreme Dance-Off - It was a dumb gimmick 15 years ago. It definitely has not aged well.
  • Bill Alfonso - Another guy who hasn't aged well.
  • Brother Runt's Place of Residence - Billed from New York City? I thought he lived in Dudleyville! Oh yeah, that's right...
  • The Gangstas' Awful Theme Music - Obviously TNA isn't going to pay the licensing for "Natural Born Killaz" but their knock off version of it was God awful. The Gangstas and the Dudley B.., I mean Team 3D, hugging it out to end the segment was bizarre. The lack of an original Nintendo Entertainment System in New Jack's trash casn was also disconcerting. Definitely one of my favorite original ECW weapons ever.
  • Sabu...bald?!? - The hair was part of his mystique. Now it's gone. Wow.
  • What, you can't tell time? - One of the little details I loved about the original ECW was that time of the fall was always announced. Very small, I know, but still a glaring omission for me.

Thursday Night better be awesome because I really can not believe that TNA pretty much put all of their storylines on hold for this. The most entertaining aspects of this professional wrestling pay-per-view had nothing to do with wrestling at all. This event perfectly exemplified everything that is wrong with TNA. It was cool to see some of these guys and I am glad they got paid and hopefully some of the boys will be able to get more work because of this but I truly am in disbelief that someone thought this would actually be a good idea. "The Whole F'n Show" should have been tonight and HardCORE Justice should have been Thursday night. Two thumbs and two big toes DOWN. 

Hopefully tomorrow night's go-home RAW for SummerSlam will cleanse my wrestling palate.

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my Moment of the Night is Todd Gordon

by Nick Pirce on Aug 8, 2010 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, it was nice to see him.

He looked to be in pretty good shape as well. Packed on a few pounds but that is part of getting older, I suppose.

by John Lamb on Aug 8, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for this

I am very appreciative of this. I am an ECW nuthugger, but do not follow any of the wrestling sites and could not jusitfy to myself paying for this. A bald Sabu is a downer, but i am glad to hear that it sounded like their match went off alright.

But aqgain, thanks for following and updating this PPV, much appreciated.

by mo dogg on Aug 9, 2010 12:03 AM EDT reply actions  

No problem.

Thanks for reading! ECW was a perfect storm of awesome. Sadly this pay-per-view wasn’t. Good call on not paying for it.

by John Lamb on Aug 9, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really wish they didnt do the unprotected chairshots but in reality what else could they do?

If they set out to beat the WWECW December to Dismember PPV then maybe it was a success.

I marked out when Dreamer told the TNA roster that they set the bar tonight so they have to raise it. Yeah no kidding Tommy…I could raise that dang bar.

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Aug 9, 2010 12:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I did a double take when I heard that too. I think it might’ve sounded better in Tommy’s head before he spouted off that gem. Like I said in the recap, I’m happy that these guys got to work and hopefully it leads to more pay days for them but for this to be a pay-per-view event is shocking. I don’t want to bag on the show too much because this is all some of those dudes have left but that was painful. Good thing my friend Justin was bought the PPV..

by John Lamb on Aug 9, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lets just hope TNA doesn't start a permanent ECW invasion

I’m glad these guys were able to make a little cash and hang out and have a few brews with the old crew but I agree with you that this was no PPV show. I wish they had just booked the ECW arena had a show in philly separate from any other wrestling promotion and made a dvd out of it and have everyone cut promo’s and tell their stories. That dvd would have sold like hot cakes compared to this

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Aug 9, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I can’t imagine Vinny Mac and company griding all of their programs to a stop so they can put on a WCW tribute show. One Night Stand was it’s own separate event and the second one made sense in terms of the direction that the WWE was going at that point in time.

by John Lamb on Aug 9, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its so sad because in 2005 TNA was the young, high energy, fresh wrestling company but they have gotten drastically older and stale while Vince has pushed young, new, fresh faces and is starting to get traction now with a couple guys. 5 years ago if you asked me which promotion would have an ECW reunion show to pop a buyrate I would’ve said WWE hands down

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Aug 9, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I keep wanting them to get it right because competition is good for all parties involved but I have so very little faith in TNA’s current leadership.

by John Lamb on Aug 9, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree. I’m a WWE fan but vince needs competition to keep him from the campy crap that only he likes. My hope for that competition is now in the new Wilpon backed promotion. TNA has lost the moment.

Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes...

by Major on Aug 9, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for recapping this

Hearing Mike Tenay’s voice just wasn’t right. I respect his passion and knowledge for the business but it was hard to get past on this particular PPV. As OG heads already know – It just goes to show that Joey Styles is a part of ECW almost as much as Paul Heyman is.

Personally, I really liked the ‘where are they now’ commentary. It was cool seeing Francine say her hello/goodbye WHILE she was giving her baby a bottle!

Agreed on 2 Cold Scorpio. The dude is a freak of nature and he hasn’t lost a step. He could certainly hang with the X-Division.

Al Snow looked big as well and it was nice to see Spike Brother Runt step into the ring again.

Lovely “Justin Credible” chant from the crowd for PJ Polaco.

If and when the WWE takes TNA to court, this might be the nail in the coffin for TNA. Love live the PHILADELPHIA PROMOTION!

RIP, Coach Wooden.

Thank you, Geoff Petrie.

by JETisKing on Aug 9, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I can imagine Vince and his legal team weighing the pros and cons of suing TNA for this stunt and then coming to the conclusion of, “F it, only 5,000 or so people actually bought it anyway.”

I also tried to imagine exactly what Taz was thinking while calling the show. I know he is ECW ride or die but he is also a dude that is smart to the business so I have to think that he knew just how ludicrous this production was. The commentary overall was just weird…I don’t mind Tenay and Taz as a team but this time around it just seemed like they were forcing it.

I actually liked the crowd tonight. Not as annoying as the usual TNA crowd…the “F you, Vince” chant to close out the pay-per-view was a nice touch.

by John Lamb on Aug 9, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

The "F you, Vince" chant...

Will probably con Dixie into thinking the night was a huge success, so yeah nice touch, but really counterproductive if you think about it.

by Keith Harris on Aug 9, 2010 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, it was extremely counterproductive. Thursday night’s big show has a lot riding on it.

I can’t wait until the PPV figures are released.

by John Lamb on Aug 9, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looking forward to Thursday night's show.

Hopefully, if anything, this PPV INSPIRED the TNA powers that be and the workers to give a passionate performance on Thursday.

I really wonder what how WWE is going to respond to this. Will they really want to squash an ant that’s hardly a threat to them at all?

RIP, Coach Wooden.

Thank you, Geoff Petrie.

by JETisKing on Aug 9, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t follow TNA much at all (couldn’t tell you current champions) but had to tune in for an ECW reunion. Overall I’d say I was very pleased with the show tonight but I’m sure a lot of that was purely nostalgic.

The 3D/Cahoney, Rotten match was very, very fun. The Gangstas arrival was nice to see. (Even though New Jack is the one pro wrestler I’d be actually afraid to meet.)

Seeing Mr.Socko and HEAD was also fun.

As for the wrestling, you are correct, it wasn’t exactly great. Most of the fun stuff was rehashed classic spots from the old days.

I’m sure it will boost buys a bit because I can’t be the only ECW mark out there.

by Gerrymanderer on Aug 9, 2010 1:11 AM EDT reply actions  

New Jack is definitely a strange cat.

Being legit brain damaged probably has something to do with it.

by John Lamb on Aug 9, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hated most of it, personally. I loved ECW, but this was garbage. Gertner was about the only thing I popped for (except Scorp). Why was Foley using the sock? That wasn’t ECW. Why show Beulah at ringside, then have her run down the rap 15 minutes later? All I could think was “Who’s watching the kids? Sandman?” How do you not have The Franchise there? No Terry Funk? Who gives a shit about Jesse Neal seeing a show once in Florida?

Glad I didn’t pay for it.

http://www.instrength.com

by Tim Burke on Aug 9, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Something is wrong when the most entertaining aspects of a pay-per-view are the non-wrestling segments.

Gertner was truly awesome. I forgot just how awesome his introductions were/are.

by John Lamb on Aug 9, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joel Gertner really killed it. Day after and the bacon in her eggs…. poke her face sequence still has me laughing.

by Gerrymanderer on Aug 9, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

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