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Dave Batista is training with the Cesar Gracie camp and definitely negotiating with Strikeforce, possibly for a fight with Bobby Lashley

Dave Batista at the Cesar Gracie Camp

Dave Batista at the Cesar Gracie Camp

Sherdog has a story by Jack Encarnacao about Dave Batista showing up at the Cesar Gracie camp for a two-day training session expedited by Strikeforce, who he's now confirmed to be negotiating with.

Of note:

Gracie said that his initial read of the 41-year-old pro wrestler was that he is a "natural athlete."

"He’s got a lot to learn but his strength alone is impressive," Gracie told Sherdog.com Wednesday evening. "Obviously he’s a beginner at jiu-jitsu but we can take a guy like that that’s already a strong athlete like that and teach him what to not get caught in."

Gracie said Batista, who grew up in Washington D.C., wrestled in high school and has some background in traditional martial arts standup fighting.

"He’s a pretty good kicker," said Gracie. "He hits very hard."

Gracie said he, Batista, training partner Imani Lee and Strikeforce matchmaker Rich Chou were to meet Wednesday evening to discuss a game plan to get Batista ready for a pro MMA fight.

Strikeforce is negotiating with the multi-time Wrestlemania headliner to try his hand in MMA. A long-time fan of the sport, who has reportedly trained at the Affliction training facility in Los Angeles, Batista began talks with Strikeforce last month after ending a lucrative eight-year run with the WWE.

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Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker has said he would be interested to see Batista tested in the MMA cage, and is particularly interested in matching him with another WWE alumnus in Bobby Lashley.

Assuming that they can work out the financial details, it seems like a forgone conclusion that Batista will be fighting for Strikeforce at some point in the near future.  Regardless of what Cesar Gracie says, though, he has to be looked at as a freak show fighter.  He's at least 41 years-old (believed by many to be at least 44), is prone to injuries, a beginner, and a pro wrestler.  Herschel Walker is older, but he's a better (and "more legitimate") athlete, had a relatively impressive debut, and is donating all of his pay to charity, only fighting to benefit said charities and prove himself.   Still, he's seen as a freak show.  Batista can certainly make money and draw fans to Strike Force, but he's going to enhance the freak show reputation of the promotion, especially if he fights Lashley.  UFC may seem like they're going in that direction with James Toney being signed and immediated booked against Randy Couture, but they only went after him to keep him out of Strikeforce.

Earlier in the week, Scott Coker talked to Sherdog about the "freak show" issue:

"We’re not the guys that are putting all the circus fights on," said Coker, "but in all fairness, look at Brock Lesnar. He made the crossover. Why not Batista?"

Brock Lesnar was a world class amateur wrestler, is an amazingly freaky athlete, and is 8 to 11 years younger than Batista, a fragile middle-aged bodybuilder.

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Okay.

Batista got beaten up by Booker T. OMG BOOKER T SHOULD DO MMA.

Can’t wait to see Dave try to sprawl and tear his groin. Or avoid a punch and have both biceps just come right off the bone.

by KaneRobot on Jul 8, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions  

So many issues with this post.

“UFC may seem like they’re going in that direction with James Toney being signed and immediated booked against Randy Couture, but they only went after him to keep him out of Strikeforce.”
So, they did SF a favor? Give me a break. They’re trying to make money, like any other promotion. UFC is doing the exact same thing with Toney/Couture.

’he has to be looked at as a freak show fighter"

The term “freakshow fight” has been greatly abused by the people @ BE(who you should cease taking writing tips form). A true freakshow fight is Minowa vs HMC, Imani Lee, Bob Sapp, or Zulu b/c of the ridiculous size difference. Just because a fight is not relevant in the world-title picture, doesn’t mean it is a “freakshow”. Lesnar/Couture was the biggest “freakshow” fight of all-time. 5-time UFC champ with almost 20 fights vs 2-1(1-1 UFC) former pro wrestler for the HW title. That fight was made because it would draw money, not because anybody thought Lesnar deserved a title shot.

"Herschel Walker is older, but he’s a better (and “more legitimate”) athlete, had a relatively impressive debut, and is donating all of his pay to charity, only fighting to benefit said charities and prove himself."

Hershel was a legit athlete 15 years ago. No, his debut was not impressive. SF found him the most nonathletic, unskilled can fighter they could scrounge up, and he still almost got subbed 2 or 3 times. It doesn’t make one bit of difference if he’s donating his purse to charity.

“Brock Lesnar was a world class amateur wrestler, is an amazingly freaky athlete, and is 8 to 11 years younger than Batista, a fragile middle-aged bodybuilder.”

Brock was a Collegiate champion, not world class. King Mo, Mark Coleman, Dan Henderson, and, hell, even Kurt Angle were “world class” wrestlers. Brock never proved himself on that level. “freaky athlete” isn’t a legit argument. I guess you say that b/c Brock is big AND quick. There are alot of guys who could fit that description. And, while your criticisms of Batista’s age and fragility are legit. Keep in mind that people had the same concerns when Lesnar entered MMA. I remember most people saying about Brock, “He’s too old, he’s taken too much damage from pro-wrestling, and it’s been almost 10 years since he last trained in amateur wrestling”.

I just want to point out that I didn’t write this post b/c I’m a Dave Batista fan(certainly not). I’m just pointing out some bias, revisionist history, and factual inaccuracy’s.

"BE is the Fox News of MMA sites." - Teh Interwebz

"What pissed me off is that I’m Little Floyd’s father, They’re showing on TV him talking about this loyalty to Roger. F—- Roger! I’m his daddy. His loyalty should always be with me. I’m the reason he’s here today. I gave him life. Now he’s got Leonard Ellerbe and Roger sucking up to him. They’re just around to rip him off. He’s going to find out just like he did before."

by FloydJoyMayweatherSR on Jul 8, 2010 7:31 PM EDT reply actions  

"UFC may seem like they’re going in that direction with James Toney being signed and immediated booked against Randy Couture, but they only went after him to keep him out of Strikeforce."

So, they did SF a favor? Give me a break. They’re trying to make money, like any other promotion. UFC is doing the exact same thing with Toney/Couture.

I’m not saying that they’re not, I’m saying that they wouldn’t necessarily have signed him if Strikeforce wasn’t interested.

The term "freakshow fight" has been greatly abused by the people @ BE(who you should cease taking writing tips form). A true freakshow fight is Minowa vs HMC, Imani Lee, Bob Sapp, or Zulu b/c of the ridiculous size difference. Just because a fight is not relevant in the world-title picture, doesn’t mean it is a "freakshow". Lesnar/Couture was the biggest "freakshow" fight of all-time. 5-time UFC champ with almost 20 fights vs 2-1(1-1 UFC) former pro wrestler for the HW title. That fight was made because it would draw money, not because anybody thought Lesnar deserved a title shot.

The BE guys are not the only ones who use the term “freakshow fight” to refer to fights with gimmick fighters, and the relative freakyness of Brock-Randy is subjective. Absolutely a freak show fight (which it should be noted was Couture’s idea), but not as gimmicky as something like Kimbo-Tank (well, Kimbo in EXC in general), Toney-Couture, and Walker vs everyone, and hell, Brock won.

“Herschel Walker is older, but he’s a better (and "more legitimate") athlete, had a relatively impressive debut, and is donating all of his pay to charity, only fighting to benefit said charities and prove himself.”

Hershel was a legit athlete 15 years ago. No, his debut was not impressive. SF found him the most nonathletic, unskilled can fighter they could scrounge up, and he still almost got subbed 2 or 3 times. It doesn’t make one bit of difference if he’s donating his purse to charity.

I said relatively impressive (he’s old and his wrestling was surprising all things considered. The charity thing is just about his personal motives, and I put “more legitimate” in quotes for a reason.

"Brock Lesnar was a world class amateur wrestler, is an amazingly freaky athlete, and is 8 to 11 years younger than Batista, a fragile middle-aged bodybuilder."

Brock was a Collegiate champion, not world class. King Mo, Mark Coleman, Dan Henderson, and, hell, even Kurt Angle were "world class" wrestlers. Brock never proved himself on that level.

It’s a nitpick, but you’re right.

"freaky athlete" isn’t a legit argument. I guess you say that b/c Brock is big AND quick. There are alot of guys who could fit that description.

He’s a gigantic man who’s scarily agile, and he may be one of the strongest men in the world. While he’s never been tested in weightlifting, powerlifting, or “World’s Strongest Man” type “strength athletics,” people who have wrestled both him and Mark Henry (who’s absolutely one of the strongest men who ever lived) have put them in a similar league, and Henry doesn’t have Lesnar’s impressive feats of strength within wrestling, like the Big Show matches.

And, while your criticisms of Batista’s age and fragility are legit. Keep in mind that people had the same concerns when Lesnar entered MMA. I remember most people saying about Brock, "He’s too old, he’s taken too much damage from pro-wrestling, and it’s been almost 10 years since he last trained in amateur wrestling

Batista is 8 to 11 years older, did pro wrestling much longer, and has had a ton of serious muscle tears. And even taking into account all of that speculation about Lesnar, he was still a far more legitimate prospect.

I just want to point out that I didn’t write this post b/c I’m a Dave Batista fan(certainly not). I’m just pointing out some bias, revisionist history, and factual inaccuracy’s.

Bias? I don’t prefer UFC over Strikeforce or Lesnar over Batista as anything other than an in-ring pro wrestler (out of the ring, Batista surpassed Lesnar this year), but EXC and post-EXC Strikeforce have been more gimmicky than recent (post-Sean Gannon) UFC.

by Bix on Jul 8, 2010 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, Dave Meltzer reported at the time that UFC only signed Toney because Strikeforce wanted to book him in a match with Herschel Walker for the last CBS show and well he should know best.

Regarding these reports that talk up Batista as a genuine prospect, I take them with a pinch of salt. Didn’t we hear similar reports about Kimbo Slice, before he was exposed time and time again? I suggest that Cesar Gracie is happy to milk the insecure, vain, pro wrestling multi millionaire for as many cents as he can get.

by kjh on Jul 9, 2010 6:46 AM EDT reply actions  

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